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i recently purchased a STEVENS SAVAGE 12 GAUGE COACH GUN...it has an 18 inch barrell and it is pretty much identical to the sawed off shotgun max used in the movies... i was wondering if anyone else on here has one....

Considering it is illegal to modify a weapon in this manor I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of such a weapon in my possession .

In the U. S. as long as the barrel length is at least 18 inches (for shotguns) and the overall length is at least 26.5 inches the gun should be legal, though local laws may vary. You can own a sawed off shot gun like Max's but there are a lot of restrictions and it is considerable investment of time and expense to obtain the correct tax stamp.

the shotgun i have is legal...and yes you can legally have a short sawed off shotgun if you aquire an NFA/CLASS 3 LISCENSE,you can also have fully automatic firearms as well.....

The Shotgun I own is a single shot H&R Topper 58 .410 .


I'll be puytting a Choate Survivor Stock & Foregrip on it as soon as I get round to it and Getting a custom machined .22LR Barrel insert as well.





(Don't pick on the .410, man. Had it since I was 12)





Actually, probably do these after I get my next piece, a Charles Daly Pump 12 gauge "Field Slug All Weather" w/Adjustable Sights in Nickel Chrome (No Choke.. Slug Ready)





After that.. I think I'll save up for a Springfield GI High Capacity 1911 .45





My H&R 949 "Forty-Niner" Revolver just doesn't have much Stopping Power.

I tried to ask on a previous gun thread, but dont recall a reply: why are sawed-offs illegal for the most part?


Later, I may ask about buying a 12 gague, so stay tuned.

Quote: Originally posted by Foxtrot X-Ray on 20 August 2006





After that.. I think I'll save up for a Springfield GI High Capacity 1911 .45

"Son-of-a....."...Here in Oz, we've been restricted to "itty bitty widdle guns" .38/9mm max Cal. and Max 10round mags! (metallic silouette is still open..but there aren't that many clubs around) There were a lot of unhappy handgunners that had to hand over their .45's! For real stopping power were now limited to .357Mag...but since Colt stopped making the Python..there seems little point!

Quote: Originally posted by ydx7 on 20 August 2006




I tried to ask on a previous gun thread, but dont recall a reply: why are sawed-offs illegal for the most part?

Later, I may ask about buying a 12 gague, so stay tuned.

In the U.S. its because of the National Firearms Act of 1934, which restricts the ownership of various weapons that were considered unsuitable for militia use. These include, sound supressed firearms and the supressors themselves, sawed off rifles and shotguns, anything that was fully automatic, and rifles with calibers larger than .50. These are all considered destructive devices and require a special tax stamp and local law enforcement approval to possess. If I am recalling corectly this law was passed in response to the mafia violence during prohibition. Some states restrict this even further. If you really want a sawed off shotgun, you should look around for a gun dealer that has a Class 3 license (he can legally deal in these items). He'll be able to help you with the paper work, background check, and any other issues with buying or converting one of these guns.

Thanks, but I was asking what was it about them that gave them the need to become illegal. Concealability? Shot pattern? etc? I'm not actually looking for one, but am a bit curious about this 18 inch thing. Where would you go to have that done? How does shortening actually affect the physics of the projectile(s)?


If I was to get a shotgun, it wouldnt be for hunting purposes; it would be for self-defense and maybe going out in the boonies and blasting some refuse.


Mostly what I wanted to ask was what are good models, and what brands/models should be avoided. Generally, I'm not a brand name snob, so I'd rather have something of lower staus but high quality than something for showing off.

The key word here being "legal", which as mentioned varies from state to state and provided it falls within the guidelines. If , for example, the modifications are just under the length then you have a problem. Even with a legal weapon once you move to another state you may suddenly find yourself in violation of the law. I know a few years ago California had banned ANY modification of firearms which made our gold medal Olympic shooters into outlaws with their competition rifles (I am not sure if this was amended or not). New York has quite strict guidelines also. Before leaving Arizona I had to leave several weapons with family members to avoid any potential issues including my crossbow and blowgun. Frankly I'm not sure if some of my knives and swords are "legal" here (NY) or not.


Most importantly it is the owners responsibility to be aware of local laws concerning firearms and requirements of registration. I can tell you I greatly miss the freedoms allowed of Arizona gun owners, where a side arm can be legally carried as long as it is in plain site and a concealed permit is available with a clean background check. Yes, it is still the wild, wild, west.