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First of all, yesterday I saw a 4:00 PM showing of the film, because I couldn't wait! Then I ran home and typed the following on Facebook, Please understand these comments are for my friends list in general, many of whom do not know Mad Max the way we do:
"Furiosa" exceeded my expectations in a big way. The trailers make it look like a CGI-laden Marvel movie, but it's actually insanely good.

I found it deeply satisfying that, like "Fury Road," this movie contained numerous echoes of the previous Mad Max films. Amazingly, these echoes, homages, and inside references never felt forced, overbearing, or like fan service.

As for the CGI, its use was more than justified. George Miller was clearly using CGI when he had to, in order to tell the story, and not as a substitute for practical effects or solid storytelling.

It's also wonderful that this movie is not in any way a re-hash of "Fury Road." It's as different from that film as "The Road Warrior" was from "Mad Max."
Miller could have easily cranked out a carbon copy of "Fury Road" in order to cash in on its success. Instead he gave us all kinds of world-building to flesh out just how and why the Mad Max universe is able to function.

Amazingly, he did this without falling victim to the folly of the Star Wars prequels where every little damned thing you saw in the Original Trilogy had to be explained so thoroughly that it lost all its mystique and magic.

And speaking of Star Wars, Anya Taylor-Joy's Furiosa is everything Daisy Ridley's Rey should have been. Star Wars asked us to believe Rey was a shell-shocked survivor without ever doing the work to justify us believing that.

"Furiosa" does the work.
Now then, here are my random comments and observations for those of you who do know Mad Max quite thoroughly:

SPOILERS AHEAD


1. The opening shot of our planet, which revolves around to show the Australian continent, is an interesting bit of confirmation that Mad Max is still taking place in Australia. That might sound like a ridiculous thing to say, but, honestly, "Fury Road" was so divorced from the three previous films, and shot in Namibia, so I kind of got the impression George Miller might very well have intended his reboot of the franchise to be conveying to us a mythology; a legend that could be taking place anywhere, in the ruins of any country on any continent.

Now I want to acquire a copy of this film and compare screen shots of that view of the Australian continent with actual present-day globes and maps. Because in Fury Road, Max tells Furiosa and friends they could drive for (I forget how long, but maybe days and days) and still encounter nothing but sand, so we know Fury Road takes place in a world where the oceans have receded and/or dried up.

So I'd like to get an analysis of this shot from Furiosa and find out whether the continent now appears much larger, since there's much less water.

Honestly, that has to be the case in order for the film to make sense, because there is no surface feature matching The Citadel in present-day Australia. I feel, therefore, that The Citadel has to have been under water, and only been revealed after the disappearance of the oceans.

2. I was surprised to learn from the Mad Max Bible YouTube channel that George Miller had not worked with the people who made the 2015 Mad Max video game, because so many of its elements were so compatible with what we saw in Fury Road. According to Mad Max Bible, this was simply because the game's creators had access to tons of notes and art George Miller had created maybe twenty years ago when he originally began working on not only the epic that would become Fury Road, but also his ideas for a video game.

Therefore, it was wild to see things in Furiosa that we had previously seen in the 2015 video game. First and foremost, there's the introduction of Imortan Joe's other son, Scrotus. His appearance is quite different in the film, and unlike in the game, nobody addresses him as "Lord Scrotus," and he doesn't have his own compound or his own cadre of war boys, but it's certainly noteworthy that he's in the film at all.

Another thing I loved about the game was that it made the Fury Road world seem more plausible, because as Max explored the various encampments and encountered various people who needed him to go on various missions, we as the player began to understand how an interconnected economy would have made it possible for cars and motorcycles to still exist in the wasteland. The game, of course, provided us with our first look inside Gas Town and our first encounters with its residents!

Another echo of the game is the parallel between Hope and Glory and Furiosa and her mother. Toward the end of the game, we see Hope strung up and dead in a position very similar to the one Furiosa's mother was in when she was killed. And like Furiosa, Glory was forced to watch her her mother was mutilated and tortured to death.

I am not, of course, implying George Miller had any interest at all in referencing or honoring the video game; I'm just saying it's interesting and satisfying that the same ideas that were in his notes from such a long time ago appeared in the game and in Furiosa.
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One more thought:

We already knew from the prequel comic books that Rictus Erectus was sexually interested in his father's wives and had a fascination with babies.

Since he tries to secretly molest Furiosa, that opens up an interesting question:

Is it possible Rictus Erectus has previously succeeded in raping other members of Joe's harem? And if so, could that explain the prevalence of deformed and mutated babies being born to these women? Because Rictus Erectus is himself not quite right, genetically?
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That's an interesting theory.
I think that the babies were deformed due to Immortan Joe being deformed and mutated though.
The women would complain to Joe if Rictus did anything bad.
I think he is though a true pe*ophile which makes him even more of a monster.
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Well, you're talking about one of the things that I didn't like about the film. Not intending to come off as rude, but I'm honestly surprised that a fan of the Mad Max franchise frequenting this forum for years, even mentioning The Mad Max Bible YouTube channel, would need a "confirmation that Mad Max is still taking place in Australia". George Miller confirmed years ago that Fury Road takes, indeed, place in Australia: https://youtu.be/iDMSa29P9j0?t=4622 (credit to Taipan). Hence the information is publicly out there if one really wanted to know. I thought that showing us, unambiguously and right at the beginning of Furiosa, that it takes place in Australia, is not only unnecessary but ironically cheapens Miller's efforts at "mythologization" (which is what he was going for) with this on-the-nose approach to storytelling. Simply because now the general public and people who enjoy this franchise (including people who see what they want to see, aficionados of the "campfire" theories) can not longer claim that it could be set anywhere in the world. The rug has been pulled from under them.
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Mad Serge wrote: Sat May 25, 2024 1:51 am Well, you're talking about one of the things that I didn't like about the film. Not intending to come off as rude, but I'm honestly surprised that a fan of the Mad Max franchise frequenting this forum for years, even mentioning The Mad Max Bible YouTube channel, would need a "confirmation that Mad Max is still taking place in Australia". George Miller confirmed years ago that Fury Road takes, indeed, place in Australia: https://youtu.be/iDMSa29P9j0?t=4622 (credit to Taipan). Hence the information is publicly out there if one really wanted to know. I thought that showing us, unambiguously and right at the beginning of Furiosa, that it takes place in Australia, is not only unnecessary but ironically cheapens Miller's efforts at "mythologization" (which is what he was going for) with this on-the-nose approach to storytelling. Simply because now the general public and people who enjoy this franchise (including people who see what they want to see, aficionados of the "campfire" theories) can not longer claim that it could be set anywhere in the world. The rug has been pulled from under them.
That doesn't come off as rude at all. I personally am not a huge fan of the "campfire" theories, as they seem too much like an attempt to let Miller off the hook for being vague about the timeline.

Speaking of Mad Max Bible, you'll probably recall the fact that it calls out the 2015 MM video game for having terrain that looks more like Arizona than Australia. Couple this with the fact that the developer put out an animated promo video for the game in which Max was driving a car with a LHD steering wheel like we have in the US, and I feel very glad Miller unambiguously put to rest any creeping suspicions anybody might have had (or even promoted) about the franchise no longer being tied to Australia.
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I'm guessing spoilers are OK in this thread - this post will contain a lot of them

Finally saw it last night. Here are my random thoughts if anyone is interested:

- Overall I thought it was superb.

- I'm amazed reading other places online that people think the first chapter was too long/baggy. I thought it was utterly brilliant and the part that gripped me the most. You're thrown straight into the world, and both the tension of what's unfolding with Furiosa ad her mother's rescue attempt, as well as the introduction to a part of this world you haven't seen before, was mind-blowing to me and I was completely riveted.

- While the film isn't like Fury Road, in that it's not literally non-stop action, it's still more stuffed full of adrenaline than the vast majority of action films. In particular, the aforementioned first chapter, as well as the Stowaway/War Rig one were utterly bravura sequences, that could only have been made by an absolute master. When the film really goes for it, to me it totally matched Fury Road. Personally, I think the idea that this is a lot slower and baggier than FR is somewhat true, but definitely overstated.

- It might be the most grotesque and sadistic of all the MM films. Dementus is larger than life and can be funny or cartoony, but he's unbelievably cruel and sadistic. The parts with Furiosa's mother, what happens when he catches the rival group, and the death of Praetorian Jack were levels of brutality we've scarcely seen in the series so far. Also, the maggot people/cannibals living outside the Citadel, as well as Dementus' ultimate fate were truly a bit disgusting and are images that will stay with me.

- I understand people complaining a bit about whether there's enough music, or enough memorable music in the film, but I must say it never really bothered me. Sure, it would've been nice if there'd been another "Brothers in Arms"-type piece from Tom Holkenborg, but the more restrained use of music also worked fine here for the most part I felt.

- Everyone is talking about Anya Taylor Joy's performance and she is really good, but Chris Hemsworth deserves more credit in my opinion. Thought he was great in this and manages to pull off being ludicrous, funny, totally despicable and yet sorrowful all at once. It's just as much Dementus' film as Furiosa's and he did more than his share of carrying the story.

- On the negative side, I thought that Praetorian Jack was less developed than he should've been. He was great in the War Rig sequence and was clearly likeable as a character, but to me, we just didn't get enough to make me buy their relationship and connection as much as I'd have liked. Not at all that it was bad or totally flat, and the scene where they try to embrace after getting caught by Dementus was moving. But I just thought there would've been even more emotional payoff if buildup of their relationship could've had a little more time or depth.

- I would also be slightly critical of the montage-y way they dealt with the Wasteland War between Dementus and Immortan Joe. I get that it's not really Furiosa's story and it didn't need a long time on screen, but I just think it was slightly jarring and could've been handled slightly better.

- Final critical point - and it's a small one, but it really bothers me - is the way both Fury Road and Furiosa start. Those disembodied voices under the opening credits doing sort of news reports, or people saying "thermonuclear warfare" or "we have become half-life" are so clunky and bad to me. I'm quite sure they used the exact same clips at the beginning of both films. To me, they felt so false and hammy and tacked-on. Compare that to the elegant, haunting way that the world is established by the grown-up Feral Kid's voiceover and Brian May's funeral march score at the beginning of MM2. Both when I saw Fury Road and Furiosa it really jarred for me and felt both times like it was studio interference to insert clips for dummies of how the world fell. Especially because the rest of the films are so well made and therefore this stood out to me.

- Overall, and I'll be in the minority saying this, I enjoyed this as much if not more than Fury Road. Don't get me wrong, FR was brilliant for what it was, but to me it was a radical departure from the feel of the original films and was more a pure-adrenaline film for the energy drink generation. While Furiosa still has some of that same feel as Fury Road, it was a half-step back towards MM2 or MMBT, in how it established the world, had at least some quieter moments, and was more epic in scope. Fury Road was a fantastic action film, but I love Mad Max for the parts and imagery of the series that haunted me. MM2 and (for all its flaws) MMBT were full of those haunting moments, and I feel that some images from Furiosa will stay with me longer than anything in Fury Road.

Sorry about the long post, but would love to hear what people think.
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I agree with Mad Serge about showing the map and confirming it takes place in Australia.

I loved the film, and wanted more of that world, so hopefully, we get a longer cut, along finally a Black version in UHD (also the FR Black version in UHD would be welcome.

I hated the trailers, and hate most of the artwork except the Furiosa statue.
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