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Hi. I was wondering, of the 60's and 70's muscle cars, which one was considered the best, straight out of the factory, without modifications?

In Reply to: muscle cars posted by Kenshiro on January 30, 2000 at 13:36:47:


: Hi. I was wondering, of the 60's and 70's muscle cars, which one was considered the best, straight out of the factory, without modifications?

Oh boy Ken.you opened up a HUGE can O worms here LOL,here in America,most mags I've read say the 1970 LS6 454 Chevrolet Chevelle SS was the best,buut i disagree,to me my fav AMerican Muscle car is the 1971 AMC Javelin AMX 401 4 speed but thats just me ,the coolest Muscle car HAAAAS to be the XB Falcon GT 351 toploader coupes man they just ooooz meaness.I guess to answer yer question,every muscle car has its good and bad side so yer prob gonna get a flood of answers as to whos car is their favs

regards

B.M

In Reply to: Re: muscle cars posted by THE PUNISHER on January 30, 2000 at 15:17:48:


1969 Dodge Charger R/T

In Reply to: Re: muscle cars posted by THE PUNISHER on January 30, 2000 at 15:17:48:


Without a doubt a Mopar, the Fords were just made for looks, Lee Iacocca (Mustang designer) even said so himself. The chevy's were just like tin boxes with engines in them, that's why they were soo cheap. The mopars on the other hand, came off the showroom floor with everything beefey, that is why they were more expensive than the other 2. The higher prices also meant the Mopars didn't sell as well. Lee Iacocca knew the seceret to selling cars, they just had to be cheap and look good, they don't have to have real performance, that is why we got the mustang.

In Reply to: Re: muscle cars posted by JtB on January 30, 2000 at 18:38:30:


: Without a doubt a Mopar, the Fords were just made for looks, Lee Iacocca (Mustang designer) even said so himself. The chevy's were just like tin boxes with engines in them, that's why they were soo cheap. The mopars on the other hand, came off the showroom floor with everything beefey, that is why they were more expensive than the other 2. The higher prices also meant the Mopars didn't sell as well. Lee Iacocca knew the seceret to selling cars, they just had to be cheap and look good, they don't have to have real performance, that is why we got the mustang.

Trying to pass off your opinions as facts huh? The Hemicuda was a gem to be sure, but your cavalier dismissal of Ford & Chevy's and distorted "facts" is funny to say the least.

God what a load of crap!

I haven't laughed this hard in ages. Thanks!

In Reply to: Re: muscle cars posted by VROOM on January 30, 2000 at 19:50:41:


: : Without a doubt a Mopar, the Fords were just made for looks, Lee Iacocca (Mustang designer) even said so himself. The chevy's were just like tin boxes with engines in them, that's why they were soo cheap. The mopars on the other hand, came off the showroom floor with everything beefey, that is why they were more expensive than the other 2. The higher prices also meant the Mopars didn't sell as well. Lee Iacocca knew the seceret to selling cars, they just had to be cheap and look good, they don't have to have real performance, that is why we got the mustang.

: Trying to pass off your opinions as facts huh? The Hemicuda was a gem to be sure, but your cavalier dismissal of Ford & Chevy's and distorted "facts" is funny to say the least.

: God what a load of crap!

: I haven't laughed this hard in ages. Thanks!

I know I'm probably offending many of you in the mb, but, heh, what I think is funny, is all those people who think american fords and chevies are actually muscle cars.

In Reply to: Re: muscle cars posted by JtB on January 30, 2000 at 23:06:25:


: I know I'm probably offending many of you in the mb, but, heh, what I think is funny, is all those people who think american fords and chevies are actually muscle cars.

Yeah! American AMC's are the only Muscle Cars! (Joking)

I've been hearing this same old TIRED debate for more'n 30 years. (only recently involving Aussie cars),

Many of what can be considered "Muscle Cars" were built for looking at. (Example: The 289 powered Mustang)

Some were designed to NOT be noticed (Example: The 426 Hemi powered Dart)

So, JtB. What ARE the requirements for a "Muscle Car"? Zero to One Hundred Miles per hour and back to Zero in under 12 seconds? There's only one car that can do that.

If you want great performance, pick your favorite car. But don't whine when some Grandma's grocery getter blows your doors off.

In Reply to: muscle cars posted by Kenshiro on January 30, 2000 at 13:36:47:


Like someone else said, you can spend the rest of your life arguing this point. It is pretty easy to find data on "standard" muscle cars, such as contemporary road test data, however these can be suspect for a lot of reasons.

Factories would "slip-in" specially prepped units, or magazines might test the car with all the special "dealer-installed/available options" such as low axle ratios, hot cams, etc etc.

That being said:

1) Mustangs/Camaros are not "muscle cars", they are "ponycars" (firebird/baracuda/challegner also.

Muscle cars are generally agreed to be intermediate-sized cars with the biggest engine available. The GTO in 64 was a Tempest with a 389. Other good examples were the Plymouth Road Runner, 66-67 Ford Fairlane Gt to name a few.

The Ponycars were sporty cars based on a compact/small car. Ford=Falcon, Camaro=Nova, Barracuda=Valiant.

If you belive any of that----thanks.

I agree with Punisher that the '70? Chevelle was concerned way up there (maybe the top) in quick cars that you could order right off the menu.

There were also a number of "factory lightweight specials" that were faster, but not really streetable. IF you are interested, do a search on FORD FAIRLANE THUNDERBOLT 427 or some such to see a really freaky ride.

chow

In Reply to: muscle cars posted by Kenshiro on January 30, 2000 at 13:36:47:


Dude, everybody knows that the Plymouth Horizon blows 'em all outta the water!!! ROFL

In Reply to: muscle cars posted by Kenshiro on January 30, 2000 at 13:36:47:


hands down, i own the best car in the world!

a 1985 Ford Tempo

its 2.3 I-4 has blown rings and smoke pours from the hood but it still goes and sometimes (when I am lucky) it goes fast. And you should see that bitch when I take it off road! It is a beast baby! Yeah!! lol