Plusability of MM & MM2 verses Fury Road

[mahenoguy]

I am assuming from your username that you argue for a living Leadcouncel , But I feel your sometimes valid points are getting a bit lost in your delivery . We all feel a little sense of ownership over the franchise on here but trying to intellectualize the realism/un-realism of a fantasy film is a little pointless . I was personally hoping for the new Film to be Mad max 1.5 , But that's not what we got so I've had to look at the trailer with fresh eye's and suspend all I thought I knew about the Mad max universe . From that Angle I feel the trailer looks fucking Awesome . I'm not sure what else George Miller could have done...I mean post Thunderdome Max had lost everything , his Jacket , Weapons , vehicle and his need to be alone , ending with him wondering into the nothing with a bundle of spears .What could possibly happen next that would be in the vein of the original trilogy ? , 'Max and his world had changed too much . A prequel on the other hand would have been met with even more hostility as I think the Ambiguous Backstory is part of the reason people feel such ownership over the films . I wonder if our willingness to overlook continuity and realism issues with the original films might be because most of us were kids when we first saw them and are now viewing Fury Road with older more cynical eyes . I'm sure if I saw the Fury Road trailer as a 10 year old ( the age I was when I first saw Road warrior ) I wouldn't find it Far Fetched . I never thought about the logistics of Mad max 2 back in the day nor were we meant to . The whole point was entertainment .I do genuinely feel sorry for you though leadcouncel , It must be soul crushing to wait so long for the next instalment to your favourite franchise only to hate everything about it , that would really suck .I only hope you can let go and enjoy it for what it is , or alternatively ignore it altogether and keep your Mad Max world Sacred . I for one am going to get whatever I can from Dr Miller as his film making days are probably limited

[P-Tron]

A reboot makes sense, especially considering that 30+ years has passed and he has a new lead actor. We already have a Mel lead Mad Max trilogy where Max walked off into the sunset. Rebooting in the same decade would be dumb like they did with the Spider-man films but I think now enough time has passed.

It allows George Miller to have a fresh start and tell new stories, and as a filmmaker GM doesn't want to keep doing the same things he was doing 30 years ago he wants to move on and so should we.

Besides we haven't heard anything that specifically contradicts Max's back story yet. We got excited because we heard that there is a teenage girl in flashback and assumed its his daughter but recent reviewers ay she never calls him dad just Max.

As far as plausibility goes, GM has often stated all the cars and stunts are practically done, obviously the sand storm scene has a heavy cgi component but that is only one part of the film not the whole thing.

I cant wait for this movie, and I will judge its success based on the film itself not how it compares to the old films.

[roadwarriormfp]

Miller has said that its a reboot essentially (but not using those terms)... a re-imagining?

[leadcounsel]

I am assuming from your username that you argue for a living Leadcouncel , But I feel your sometimes valid points are getting a bit lost in your delivery . We all feel a little sense of ownership over the franchise on here but trying to intellectualize the realism/un-realism of a fantasy film is a little pointless . I was personally hoping for the new Film to be Mad max 1.5 , But that's not what we got so I've had to look at the trailer with fresh eye's and suspend all I thought I knew about the Mad max universe . From that Angle I feel the trailer looks fucking Awesome . I'm not sure what else George Miller could have done...I mean post Thunderdome Max had lost everything , his Jacket , Weapons , vehicle and his need to be alone , ending with him wondering into the nothing with a bundle of spears .What could possibly happen next that would be in the vein of the original trilogy ? , 'Max and his world had changed too much . A prequel on the other hand would have been met with even more hostility as I think the Ambiguous Backstory is part of the reason people feel such ownership over the films . I wonder if our willingness to overlook continuity and realism issues with the original films might be because most of us were kids when we first saw them and are now viewing Fury Road with older more cynical eyes . I'm sure if I saw the Fury Road trailer as a 10 year old ( the age I was when I first saw Road warrior ) I wouldn't find it Far Fetched . I never thought about the logistics of Mad max 2 back in the day nor were we meant to . The whole point was entertainment .I do genuinely feel sorry for you though leadcouncel , It must be soul crushing to wait so long for the next instalment to your favourite franchise only to hate everything about it , that would really suck .I only hope you can let go and enjoy it for what it is , or alternatively ignore it altogether and keep your Mad Max world Sacred . I for one am going to get whatever I can from Dr Miller as his film making days are probably limited

Thank you for the well-written post. However, no need to feel sorry for me. Like most here, I've waited 3 decades. I think MM 1.5 taking place between MM1 and MM2 would have been the most interesting timeframe. But it is what it is...

Surely, nothing could live up to expectations. I felt ill when I saw the trailer initially. But I have watched it a dozen times since. I have picked it apart, and been flamed for it. But there are some good points. I can see some creativity and good action. Perhaps a good story. I'm trying to keep an open mind.

Likewise, I could viciously pick apart MM1 and MM2. They have some logistical problems, some editing errors, and a few silly points. But they were ground breaking for their time and became iconic - the BoB, the costumes, the world that was created, Wez, Toecutter, Humungus, the action and stunts, etc. Thirty years or more later, these still are benchmarks to hold other movies against. I really enjoyed them, so I generally choose not to pick them apart. (MM3 was a dud, and really just okay...).

Will MM4 still be ground breaking and iconic in 2045? Or will it be the Crystal Skull of the series? Will it stand the test of time, and be held up against the originals. I fear not - but I really, really hope it is.

At the end of the day, I'm passionate about these films. But it's just a movie and I can take it or leave it. Sometimes I pretend that MM3 was never made. I can do likewise with MM4...

[leadcounsel]

Ammo in MM4.

This is a real discussion, not a nit pick or argument.

I'm definitely open to learning theories of how, in the movie, bullets are made. Bullets have 4 components. Projectile (generally lead or steel), shells (brass, plastic, even paper), gun powder and a primer. Lead is commonly found in wheel weights and batteries and a few other areas of manufacturing. Steel is quite common. So I can see that. Brass and plastic shells can be reused to a point, if they are collected and properly cleaned. The real problem is creating gun powder and primers from scratch.

Or is there just a large surplus? Bullets can be stored for decades so that might be the plausible theory. Perhaps a ammo depot was secured?

Anyone have any theories on creating gun powder and primers in MM4 world?

[Taipan]

Gunpowder can literally be made from piss, charcoal and mined sulfur.

[CouplaDaisygo]

The chinese seemed to do a fair job of making gunpowder centuries ago and they were starting from scratch.
These guys have the detritus of an advanced civilisation to sift through.
Have a read of Verne's "Mysterious island" where the characters make complex materials from minerals and stuff lying around.
Why do we assume all knowledge of how to make and recycle things is lost?
It reminds me of objections to Egyptians being able to build pyramids etc. Some people learn to innovate.
A post-apocalypse community would treasure books, encyclopaedias etc

[P-Tron]

Ammo in MM4.

It could be something simple like the Citadel used to be an old army depot.

It doesnt look like Immortan Joe's guys use a lot of guns, they seem to use their "thunder sticks" quite a bit.

One character is called the "bullet farmer" so I assume he has the knowin' on bullet manufacturing. We really don't know much about the [at of the waste land the story is set there could be a lot of resources they can scavenge to create ammo with.

[MachRider]

Problem with today's average person weapon comprehension is heavy US and Hollywood bias where firearms are overly fetishized and completely blown out of proportion as something almost magical.

In reality, it's just tools for killing, like chainsaws are tools for sawing. Chainsaws being more complex. Vehicles especially being more complex. Firearms are more like staplers actually.

Most stuff firearm related (i'm talking personal firearms here, not cruise missiles obviously) is based on mid to late 19th century technology. Few tools, more or less precise, couple of common materials and chemicals and you've got a nice backyard Kalashnikov factory.

Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_Copy

In short: producing rifles and bullets is easy as producing fuel from shuffling pigshit, if not easier. Not to mention running an oil rafinery in the middle of nowhere.

[MadMatt]

My buddie is really into guns and he made a homemade gun from junk parts etc.. when he was 17. It was crude but worked! And later confinscated by the local deputy during a search OOPs!