Thunderdome

[rockatansky4073]

MEL considered himself more australian than american for years, so being MAX ain't that funny. and who the hell said anything about the anarchy in italy, what we're competing with our countries violence too now? you attacked i defended.

[Uncle Entity]

Rock,


I'm defending the fact Australia is a kind of paradise in comparison with other places, and many people is going to live there because everything is going well - economy and all.

[Nitro]

Well I'd have to say that Thuderdome was the sell-out to the American market. That's why Tina Turner was there otherwise the Yanks would be thinking: "Oh no! A movie without an American accent in it! It can't possibly be watchable"


If Miller really did want a black female there would have been plenty of willing talent in

Australia to fill the role but face it; he had to go for the obligatory famous face to do a hard sell in the USA (and hollywood funded the bloody thing so they had a deft hand in it too) So gone is the grittiness, the raw energy of the previous movies to create 'Mad Max Lite' a cosy, cushy softcore version of Mad Max...


And Mel lived in Australia most of his life up to then (why would you make an Australian movie with an obvious American in the lead role?) and don't mention his background as most Australians are immigrants yet around the time of MM there really was fewer non-caucasians walking around as the 'white Australia' policy had only been abandoned in the early 70's. Australia is still predominantly white.

[rockatansky4073]

I never said AUSTRALIA itself was anarchic, i meant the people, like i've said before it's the vibe you get, were on edge, you have to be careful.

[Uncle Entity]

If Miller really did want a black female there would have been plenty of willing talent in

Australia to fill the role but face it; he had to go for the obligatory famous face to do a hard sell in the USA (and hollywood funded the bloody thing so they had a deft hand in it too) So gone is the grittiness, the raw energy of the previous movies to create 'Mad Max Lite' a cosy, cushy softcore version of Mad Max...


YOU SEW IT in that manner. THUNDERDOME is an epic, beautifully paced movie with a lot of spectacular stunts and a visionary approach. The grittiness was replaced by a more elegant touch which confirmed Miller's talent. Violence in THUNDERDOME was more poignant.


Tina WAS Entity - it's her life/persona/energy on the screen. Another actress would have "played" her. Tina lived her. Tina was ENTITY.

[Dave_H]

long thread, perhaps getting a bit lost?


People tend to group mm1 and mm2 together and put mm3 out on a limb. I believe that mm2 was different from and a big leap over mm1. from this, mm3 was a big leap from mm2. To me they are all very seperate films. Anyone weaned on mm2 would possibly find mm1 a tad slow the first time. Perhaps mm3 would come across as a little verbose and lacking in point.

I believe part of the issue with mm3 is the expectation left by mm2. To an extent, mm2 followed the formula of making everything bigger, better and more action. To me, mm2 has elements of hollywood style direction. Everything is explicitly explained to the audience, there are readily defined 'goodies' (white clothes) and 'baddies' (leathers). Critics have described it as having similarities to a traditional western. With max as the world weary gunslinger with no home (I still love it though!)

In my mind, MM3 attempted to return to the story telling roots of mm1, Max mumbles his way vaguley through the first 'act' (Bartertown/thunderdome). There is no music in the fight scene in Aunties house (unlike the chases in mm2). In some ways it forces the viewer has to use their brain a bit more. The movie changes to an alomst mythic stage with the tell and the lost kids.

What frustrates me is that even though I understand what miller/olgive tried to achieve with mm3, the final execution of it somehow just lacks an intangible something. It could be that the choice of actors just wasnt right, the story was too complex for a simple film, the action to sanitised and cartoony or the swinging direction between millers darker style and the more influenced Hollywood parts of the film.

For me, mm2 is a very 70's Australian cult film, full of nervous fear, speed, and the smell of white hot metal. mm2 is a worldly film that invites vieweing as a cult action film with a sad sting in the tail.

mm3 is more of a multi layered anti-action experiece that takes a couple of viewings to understand all the messages within it.

I like them all for differing reasons They all definatley have their faults. Its no crime to not like one as much as another.

Depends on what you look for in a movie really.

[Dave_H]

Here is a copy of the above post but a bit better formatted...


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long thread, perhaps getting a bit lost?


People tend to group mm1 and mm2 together and put mm3 out on a limb. I believe that mm2 was different from and a big leap over mm1. from this, mm3 was a big leap from mm2. To me they are all very seperate films. Anyone weaned on mm2 would possibly find mm1 a tad slow the first time. Perhaps mm3 would come across as a little verbose and lacking in point.


I believe part of the issue with mm3 is the expectation left by mm2. To an extent, mm2 followed the formula of making everything bigger, better and more action. To me, mm2 has elements of hollywood style direction. Everything is explicitly explained to the audience, there are readily defined 'goodies' (white clothes) and 'baddies' (leathers). Critics have described it as having similarities to a traditional western. With max as the world weary gunslinger with no home (I still love it though!)


In my mind, MM3 attempted to return to the story telling roots of mm1, Max mumbles his way vaguley through the first 'act' (Bartertown/thunderdome). There is no music in the fight scene in Aunties house (unlike the chases in mm2). In some ways it forces the viewer has to use their brain a bit more. The movie changes to an alomst mythic stage with the tell and the lost kids.

What frustrates me is that even though I understand what miller/olgive tried to achieve with mm3, the final execution of it somehow just lacks an intangible something. It could be that the choice of actors just wasnt right, the story was too complex for a simple film, the action to sanitised and cartoony or the swinging direction between millers darker style and the more influenced Hollywood parts of the film.


For me, mm2 is a very 70's Australian cult film, full of nervous fear, speed, and the smell of white hot metal. mm2 is a worldly film that invites vieweing as a cult action film with a sad sting in the tail.


mm3 is more of a multi layered anti-action experiece that takes a couple of viewings to understand all the messages within it.


I like them all for differing reasons They all definatley have their faults. Its no crime to not like one as much as another.

Depends on what you look for in a movie really.

[Nitro]

American accents just spoil it for me. If you hear an American say: "Get in the car" and than an Australian say: "Get in the car" the tone of the whole scene is entirely different (just watch the horrible dubbed version of MM to see what I mean)


And Tina Turner is well, Tina Turner... WHY OH WHY DID HE PICK TINA TURNER!!!!!

[rockatansky4073]

yeah TINA, the 80's, that why they picked her, she was around , she was popular and she had songs at the tops of the charts, you know thats how they do things. why do you think f**king BRITNEY SPEARS made that movie. and MADONNA everytime she makes another comeback, she's in another movie, starting with that one she made in about 86 with SEAN PENN. i mean she was big back then, and everytime she had another chart topping album , she was in another movie.

[Uncle Entity]

Dave H,


I understand your points. I still think MM1 and MM2 are TWO very separated movies, yes, there is a big leap between them. MM1 is a cult, MM2 is also very Hollywood. MM3 is an epic tale, but I don't believe it was *SO* much "sanatized"... I found it frightening and atmospheric in its own way, and I'm not the only one. Yep, however MM3 is the most "POP" entry in the series, and it was supposed to be this way.


Three excellent movies, despite they got so many faults...