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Lonewolf wrote:A sense of dread is starting to come over me. Now that the trailer has come out, all these youtube reviews are coming out and praising what was shown at comic-con on Mad Max. They all seem to be jumping on a bandwagon because of all the great buzz surrounding this new film. And that's OK, the trailer is worth the praise. But I feel that the majority of these people were not true fans of the original trilogy and are just going with the hype. Again, nothing wrong with that. But I feel the true die hard fans who had love for this series from long before the fourth installment was even in the works are being undermined as it were. This was a low key love affair for a series that felt like a great kept secret we could share with other movie lovers who weren't as familiar with these films and enjoy a "out of nowhere experience" with friends. Now it's like "Wow have you guys heard of this new movie starring Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron, that looks awesome and I can't wait to see the series and play the game." It just feels like to me, that most people of today stumbled upon this great idea without appreciating it's roots, nor the fans that kept this franchise going with all it's support over the many years. It's great to see it flourish, but it no longer (to me at least) feels like 'Our thing' so much as it is like 'A thing'. If you catch what I'm saying.
I feel the same way. Us "real" fans have been sold out for bigger, badder, CGI... People continue to beat the drum "you need a wider audience, you need it to be modern, blah blah blah..." Weird. Somehow MM1 managed to spend $200,000 and make $100,000,000 (#3 in highest gross return in the history of filmmaking) without the use of a single CGI graphic. Good old fashioned story, action, and acting. Weird huh, that a good compelling story is enjoyable. Somehow MM2 managed a 6-fold return on investment and continued on a the MASSIVE fanatical loyal fanbase that lasted some 3.5 decades without another stellar installment, even in spite of the lackluster MM3. No computer graphics. Just story, acting, plot, stunts, and awesomeness.

Remember when Star Wars IV and V was made for adults and enjoyed by kids? And it was massively successful. Then, starting with Star Wars VI, then I, II, and III they focused on kids. Sure, it make Lucas a ton of money. But it ruined the franchise in my view by expanding the base. Heck, even the originals were ruined by going back and adding CGI - like Gwedo shooting first and missing Solo from 5 feet away... or Jaba the Hut, or other nonsense. How about CGI Jar Jar Binks in episode I. Horrible. I could go on and on... but it just makes me ill thinking of the death of another classic franchise, like Terminator, Aliens, Indiana Jones, and a host of others that were "improved" with CGI.

I fear the same thing with MM4. From the sounds of it, a total reboot. Total separation from the first 3 movies, and no backstory. No appreciation of who Max was, or the awesome BoB. Or his driving skills. Or any other credit to the deep emotional investment true fans have.

The Youtube reviews by pimply 19 years olds is "Cool," "Intense," "I love it and can't wait to see it." Congrats Miller. You spent $150,000,000 and will surely make $50-100 million on it. Maybe make some video games of it. But at what cost? I really, sincerely hope you didn't totally screw over the first three films by selling out.
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leadcounsel wrote:
Lonewolf wrote:A sense of dread is starting to come over me. Now that the trailer has come out, all these youtube reviews are coming out and praising what was shown at comic-con on Mad Max. They all seem to be jumping on a bandwagon because of all the great buzz surrounding this new film. And that's OK, the trailer is worth the praise. But I feel that the majority of these people were not true fans of the original trilogy and are just going with the hype. Again, nothing wrong with that. But I feel the true die hard fans who had love for this series from long before the fourth installment was even in the works are being undermined as it were. This was a low key love affair for a series that felt like a great kept secret we could share with other movie lovers who weren't as familiar with these films and enjoy a "out of nowhere experience" with friends. Now it's like "Wow have you guys heard of this new movie starring Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron, that looks awesome and I can't wait to see the series and play the game." It just feels like to me, that most people of today stumbled upon this great idea without appreciating it's roots, nor the fans that kept this franchise going with all it's support over the many years. It's great to see it flourish, but it no longer (to me at least) feels like 'Our thing' so much as it is like 'A thing'. If you catch what I'm saying.
I feel the same way. Us "real" fans have been sold out for bigger, badder, CGI... People continue to beat the drum "you need a wider audience, you need it to be modern, blah blah blah..." Weird. Somehow MM1 managed to spend $200,000 and make $100,000,000 (#3 in highest gross return in the history of filmmaking) without the use of a single CGI graphic. Good old fashioned story, action, and acting. Weird huh, that a good compelling story is enjoyable. Somehow MM2 managed a 6-fold return on investment and continued on a the MASSIVE fanatical loyal fanbase that lasted some 3.5 decades without another stellar installment, even in spite of the lackluster MM3. No computer graphics. Just story, acting, plot, stunts, and awesomeness.

Remember when Star Wars IV and V was made for adults and enjoyed by kids? And it was massively successful. Then, starting with Star Wars VI, then I, II, and III they focused on kids. Sure, it make Lucas a ton of money. But it ruined the franchise in my view by expanding the base. Heck, even the originals were ruined by going back and adding CGI - like Gwedo shooting first and missing Solo from 5 feet away... or Jaba the Hut, or other nonsense. How about CGI Jar Jar Binks in episode I. Horrible. I could go on and on... but it just makes me ill thinking of the death of another classic franchise, like Terminator, Aliens, Indiana Jones, and a host of others that were "improved" with CGI.

I fear the same thing with MM4. From the sounds of it, a total reboot. Total separation from the first 3 movies, and no backstory. No appreciation of who Max was, or the awesome BoB. Or his driving skills. Or any other credit to the deep emotional investment true fans have.

The Youtube reviews by pimply 19 years olds is "Cool," "Intense," "I love it and can't wait to see it." Congrats Miller. You spent $150,000,000 and will surely make $50-100 million on it. Maybe make some video games of it. But at what cost? I really, sincerely hope you didn't totally screw over the first three films by selling out.
I hear you man. And you are right. I think Miller wanted to go back to his roots, but studio executives at Warners pushed for a new franchise to build on top of the old. It looks like due to 2015 scheduling this may be the summer box-office smash of that year. Will it live up to the hype? Time will tell. I'm glad to see the Father of the original try to keep it as close as he could to his first imagining of the character, (the look, the style, the clothes, the cars, the Aussie accents) But I fear he will loose control if it becomes too big. And it will just be taken away from him and go into other directions, too far from its roots. (i.e, make a P-G 13 sequel, try to sell kids toys, and so on.) Enough respect is being shown for the original Australian hit. But I don't think they can ever overshadow the original trilogy with Mel Gibson.
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leadcounsel wrote: From the sounds of it, a total reboot. Total separation from the first 3 movies, and no backstory. No appreciation of who Max was, or the awesome BoB. Or his driving skills. Or any other credit to the deep emotional investment true fans have.
If you don't like what you see in the trailer, isn't this exactly what you'd hope for from now on?
So you could keep the trilogy distinctly separate from Fury Road.

Although I understand you'd prefer to see a trailer that included all that you wished for.
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wow! look im 45, love MM1 and 2, hard to watch 3. Love the FR trailer. I don't like movies like the Avengers. FR will be part MM 1, 2 and 3. there will be some CGI and green screen work in this film (some of it pretty obvious in the trailer, hope they clean it up) and hopefully it will be to aid the story, not just for the sake of it. They haven't gone to all the trouble of building the vehicles, filming on location (apart from the Sydney shoot which would be mainly some of the close up driving and stunts) to then erasing it with CGI etc. Id say 80% of it will be practical. All this talk of who should like it, well we all should like it whether were are 19 or 90. Its a film for US not YOU.
Everyone seems to be jumping to conclusions from the trailer. How about waiting another 10 months, watching the film and then decide. Oh, Im looking forward to the game too and im attempting to make a 10min short film that is loosely MM crossed with Star Wars. (couldn't do car chase so I set it in space!)
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leadcounsel wrote:Us "real" fans
Please don't sign up to the forum the day after the teaser is released and SEVEN YEARS after Fury Road has been in discussion here while showing complete ignorance of the details that have been sought out and discussed in the detail and have the gall to make our you're in some elite fanbase group.

You represent absolutely everything that's awful about fanboysim.

Besides Peter running this site, there are some incredibly devoted Max fans here. People who have slaved away to share information, analysis, and creativity with others. And I have yet to see any of those people resort to the depths of drawing lines and using terms like "real" fans. Seriously, grow up.

Further to this, I can categorically state you know absolutely nothing about how the movie business works.
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Uncle Entity wrote:
themanw/oaname wrote:

i REALLY really REALLY just HATE this whole reboot/reimagine, whatever bullshit. it's just bullshit.
You're in the minority. And this movie doesn't need you anyway. Goodbye.

why is it a reboot? other than a different actor playing Max it all still looks fairly the same.
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MWFV8 wrote:
leadcounsel wrote:Us "real" fans
Please don't sign up to the forum the day after the teaser is released and SEVEN YEARS after Fury Road has been in discussion here while showing complete ignorance of the details that have been sought out and discussed in the detail and have the gall to make our you're in some elite fanbase group.

You represent absolutely everything that's awful about fanboysim.

Besides Peter running this site, there are some incredibly devoted Max fans here. People who have slaved away to share information, analysis, and creativity with others. And I have yet to see any of those people resort to the depths of drawing lines and using terms like "real" fans. Seriously, grow up.

Further to this, I can categorically state you know absolutely nothing about how the movie business works.
That guy's a prime example of a village idiot. His remarks are so ignorant I'm suspecting it's a troll.
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MWFV8 wrote:
leadcounsel wrote:Us "real" fans
Please don't sign up to the forum the day after the teaser is released and SEVEN YEARS after Fury Road has been in discussion here while showing complete ignorance of the details that have been sought out and discussed in the detail and have the gall to make our you're in some elite fanbase group.

You represent absolutely everything that's awful about fanboysim.

Besides Peter running this site, there are some incredibly devoted Max fans here. People who have slaved away to share information, analysis, and creativity with others. And I have yet to see any of those people resort to the depths of drawing lines and using terms like "real" fans. Seriously, grow up.

Further to this, I can categorically state you know absolutely nothing about how the movie business works.
Some of us were 15yrs old when the Interceptor came to town in a tent at the local show when bob forsenko owned it all those years ago.. ;)
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Lonewolf wrote:A sense of dread is starting to come over me. Now that the trailer has come out, all these youtube reviews are coming out and praising what was shown at comic-con on Mad Max. They all seem to be jumping on a bandwagon because of all the great buzz surrounding this new film. And that's OK, the trailer is worth the praise. But I feel that the majority of these people were not true fans of the original trilogy and are just going with the hype. Again, nothing wrong with that. But I feel the true die hard fans who had love for this series from long before the fourth installment was even in the works are being undermined as it were. This was a low key love affair for a series that felt like a great kept secret we could share with other movie lovers who weren't as familiar with these films and enjoy a "out of nowhere experience" with friends. Now it's like "Wow have you guys heard of this new movie starring Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron, that looks awesome and I can't wait to see the series and play the game." It just feels like to me, that most people of today stumbled upon this great idea without appreciating it's roots, nor the fans that kept this franchise going with all it's support over the many years. It's great to see it flourish, but it no longer (to me at least) feels like 'Our thing' so much as it is like 'A thing'. If you catch what I'm saying.
I understand you and agree HOWEVER, did it not occur to you that Fury Road may create a whole new generation of Mad Max fans? People that like you said, never saw the originals - so they watch them after seeing Fury Road and get blown away - becoming fans instantly and making the "legend" of the Mad Max franchise even bigger.

If something is good, really good then it can only be kept a "secret" or "hidden gem" for so long. Look at BladeRunner, that film was overlooked for YEARS before home video became big and people got to watch it repeatedly and really "got it". Now its hailed as one of the best Sci-Fi films of all time. Dude, I get what you are saying, I REALLY DO! I saw The Big Lebowski on cable TV in 99 and fucking loved it, and now its a huge highly praised film, I'm proud to say I saw it "back in the day" before the majority of the sheep caught on. I will proudly say the same thing when I get people asking me about the original Mad Max films.
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kennerado wrote:
Lonewolf wrote:A sense of dread is starting to come over me. Now that the trailer has come out, all these youtube reviews are coming out and praising what was shown at comic-con on Mad Max. They all seem to be jumping on a bandwagon because of all the great buzz surrounding this new film. And that's OK, the trailer is worth the praise. But I feel that the majority of these people were not true fans of the original trilogy and are just going with the hype. Again, nothing wrong with that. But I feel the true die hard fans who had love for this series from long before the fourth installment was even in the works are being undermined as it were. This was a low key love affair for a series that felt like a great kept secret we could share with other movie lovers who weren't as familiar with these films and enjoy a "out of nowhere experience" with friends. Now it's like "Wow have you guys heard of this new movie starring Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron, that looks awesome and I can't wait to see the series and play the game." It just feels like to me, that most people of today stumbled upon this great idea without appreciating it's roots, nor the fans that kept this franchise going with all it's support over the many years. It's great to see it flourish, but it no longer (to me at least) feels like 'Our thing' so much as it is like 'A thing'. If you catch what I'm saying.
I understand you and agree HOWEVER, did it not occur to you that Fury Road may create a whole new generation of Mad Max fans? People that like you said, never saw the originals - so they watch them after seeing Fury Road and get blown away - becoming fans instantly and making the "legend" of the Mad Max franchise even bigger.

If something is good, really good then it can only be kept a "secret" or "hidden gem" for so long. Look at BladeRunner, that film was overlooked for YEARS before home video became big and people got to watch it repeatedly and really "got it". Now its hailed as one of the best Sci-Fi films of all time. Dude, I get what you are saying, I REALLY DO! I saw The Big Lebowski on cable TV in 99 and fucking loved it, and now its a huge highly praised film, I'm proud to say I saw it "back in the day" before the majority of the sheep caught on. I will proudly say the same thing when I get people asking me about the original Mad Max films.
I'm glad you get what I'm trying to say. Because their is no hostility involved in my statement at all. I'm not trying to categorize "Older" fans as "True" fans. I am glad that a new audience is going to see this. I just hope they show the originals the respect it is due. I have seen quotes from people who say something like "This is a RAGE rip-off" or "They copied Fall Out" when it was 'Mad Max 2' that took this post apocalyptic style to the level we know today. (Yes, I am aware that 'A boy and his Dog' influenced Mad Max 2's look a great deal, not forgetting that.)

I just hope people will walk away with this with a sense of understanding of what it is and where it came from and not try and turn this franchise into a P-G 13 type form of entertainment so younger viewers can go see it and merchandise can be sold like toys. If they treat this right, it can once again make an impact on the way action films are shot with talented people who do real stunts and bring a sense of risk and reality to film making once again just like the originals did. And not just some green screen CGI safe filming. Bring us back our heroes!
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