Mad Max 1 fans owning the original VHS - we need YOU!

[Stamper]

In addition:

At this point, we need to check out either an australian VHS version or the UK pal Warner VHS to sort it out (my take is the UK pal Warner VHS is the exact same mix as the one on the Warner DVD).

If the Australian VHS versions are the same as TV, it means there was a domestic and an international, fuller mix.

If they match the Warner VHS & DVD, it means as some point, a previous version of the mix became the way to go.

In any case, it's always interesting to have mixing variations, ie Thunderball so that makes the Kino one worthy anyway. It just need the Warner DVD track synced to it.

[Uncle Entity]

The plot thickens! However this means the australian TV broadcast (I think there are a couple more of them on the internal organ) don't use the correct mix as it's missing sounds.

There's no way all the foreign dubs would all have the same sounds too, but not the original.

There are three possibilities:

- There was like The Terminator, a domestic mix and an international mix, the latter being the most widespread.

- There wasn't, and the TV version and the stems used for the remix, come from an unfinished version of the mix. Maybe because they couldn't find the original stems, as this film as long history of misled elements. So they grab the only version they could find.

- All the foreign dubs were recut from the original US mix, which can't be because they each have unique EQ that is consistent all the way through.

So you can ditch the third. That leaves the two first options. As the dubs all have the original sounds, I believe the TV mono and the remixes and this latter new downmix or whatever that is, are probably unfinished versions of the mix due to misled or mistagged or misfiled elements.

I hope that helps.

Nice theory, great job. Could be. We'll investigate this further.

[Uncle Entity]

- All the foreign dubs were recut from the original US mix, which can't be because they each have unique EQ that is consistent all the way through.

No. The Italian dub have no added effects at all, I checked the VHS. The music is also overpowering the sounds in the final part of the movie, like the original aussie mono audio track.

[Stamper]

That's interesting, I checked out my Pal Australian DVD from I think 2001, and it also features the same dub as the one on the new UHD. It could be the post 2000 downmix though, I need to check out other moments to make sure.

I checked again the Pal Warner Europe DVD and it is as I said the different version of the aussie dub, with the added effects and louder gunshot effects.

I have the mono dubs from the Warner disc, so they go like this:

- Australian dub: added effects
- American dub : added effects
- French dub : added effects
- French stereo dub (from Blu-ray) : added effects
- Spanish mono dub : added effects
- German mono dub : added effects
- Italian mono dub : added effects

I didn't check the bonus audio tracks on the European Blu-ray as I got rid of it, but if you can, a list is welcome.

That'll help clear the existence of the two different soundmixes or M&E tracks.

[Uncle Entity]

Good job, Stamp!

[Stamper]

What I meant to say about the foreign dubs being recut from the final mix, is like the Good, the Bad & The Ugly, there was a possibility the makers of the DVD did a hodge podge of tracks, replacing just the talked moment on the dubs.

Like they used one main track for all the sounds, and just replaced the talked moment digitally. That's what happened to the early DVD release of GBU.

However, many of those have different EQ. So I doubt that would be the case. That's why I would be interested if anyone could list the other dubs on the Blu-ray discs, and check if they do have the different VFX and mix, or are clones of the resurfaced earlier Australian mix (currently on UHD).

[Stamper]

Checking out the European Blu-ray disc:

- German dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Italian dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Spanish dub 1 has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Spanish dub 2 has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Portugal dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Tchek dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Hungary dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Polish dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)
- Russian dub has the "extra" sounds (same as Warner Europe DVD)

My conclusion is: the current "mono" on the 4K disc, that is also to be found on australian TV airings, may be an unfinished mix that at some point in the early 80's, replaced the real finalised australian dub, due to material being lost.

The real mono is the one on the Warner Europe DVD.

The 5.1 remix in both versions (US and AU) is based on an unfinished mix due to material being lost.

[Uncle Entity]

Stamper:

Check your PM, thanks.

[Uncle Entity]

My conclusion is: the current "mono" on the 4K disc, that is also to be found on australian TV airings, may be an unfinished mix that at some point in the early 80's, replaced the real finalised australian dub, due to material being lost.

The real mono is the one on the Warner Europe DVD.

If the material was lost, how did they find it for the Warner Europe DVD?

And what are the differences between the two Australian mono tracks anyway?

[Stamper]

They had it since day one.

However someone post the italian VHS sounds just like the Australian mono as found on the 4K UHD disc.

We need to trace the lineage. That's a conumdrum, but aren't they fascinating?

It's always good to find new stuff on films we love.

I need to do two things:

- Sync the Warner australian dub to the 4K.

- Cut a video comparing the stuff.