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Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:44 am
by MWFV8
Regarding global nuclear exchange a lot of the science people use behind this is movie science. Things like wordwide destruction, radiation everywhere and nuclear winters are fiction. Things like that would be very localised to surrounding areas of mass bombing (Areas of North America, Russia and Europe), it would be huge, but no where near enough to cover the globe.
The depiction in Mad Max is pretty realistic as you don't see any effects of actual nuclear war until Thunderdome. That's assuming that Bartertown wasn't actually that far from Sydney, based on a small maximum laden plane being able to fly there non-stop.
Read this for a realistic account of how a global nuclear exchange would be conducted and the long term affects on the rest of the world, you'll find Mad Max fits in surprisingly well without having to bodge the timeline.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear ... rwar1.html
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:29 am
by roadwarriormfp
Regarding global nuclear exchange a lot of the science people use behind this is movie science. Things like wordwide destruction, radiation everywhere and nuclear winters are fiction. Things like that would be very localised to surrounding areas of mass bombing (Areas of North America, Russia and Europe), it would be huge, but no where near enough to cover the globe.
So the 8000 wareheads that both sides had during the cold war in ICBMs alone wouldnt cover the globe?
Er lets see... all of europe, all of the usa and its allies... umm.. pretty much covers 60to70% of the worlds land mass, except south America and the African continent.
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:19 am
by Foxtrot X-Ray
roadwarriormfp wrote:
So the 8000 wareheads that both sides had during the cold war in ICBMs alone wouldnt cover the globe?
Er lets see... all of europe, all of the usa and its allies... umm.. pretty much covers 60to70% of the worlds land mass, except south America and the African continent.
How LARGE were these 8000 nukes?
Most tactical nuclear warheads range in the 1.5 -5 megaton range... Russia's "Tsar Bomba" was the record holder at something like 50MT and it was kind of the"Bugatti Veyron" of nuclear weapons, whereas the rest were merely Porsche 911's.
I.E.
Ridiculously expensive in comparison to the rest of the arsenal and not built in great numbers.
(Unfortunately, the Sources I've found differ on the Megatonnage of the Tsar Bomba, putting it at anywhere from 10-50, so I can't be sure the 50Mt is accurate.
Try this thing----->
http://www.carloslabs.com/node/16
Kinda fun in a darkly disturbing way.
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:06 am
by zykotec
roadwarriormfp wrote:Regarding global nuclear exchange a lot of the science people use behind this is movie science. Things like wordwide destruction, radiation everywhere and nuclear winters are fiction. Things like that would be very localised to surrounding areas of mass bombing (Areas of North America, Russia and Europe), it would be huge, but no where near enough to cover the globe.
So the 8000 wareheads that both sides had during the cold war in ICBMs alone wouldnt cover the globe?
Er lets see... all of europe, all of the usa and its allies... umm.. pretty much covers 60to70% of the worlds land mass, except south America and the African continent.
It dodn't matter at all how many bombs they had during the cold war for two reasons. First of all, they'd concentrate on strategic targets, not the tottal destruction of earth. So most bobmbs would be hiiting the US cities, and military installations and similar Russian/east european targets. Too bad for us in Europe and the americans, but lucky for Australia, Asia(except maybe some communist states) South America and Africa.
Second, the bombing would probably stop quite soon after the first vawe of bombs, since both those in charge, and a good few of the installations carrying these weapons would have allready perished, or have come to their senses....
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:46 am
by MWFV8
Foxtrot X-Ray wrote:
Most tactical nuclear warheads range in the 1.5 -5 megaton range... Russia's "Tsar Bomba" was the record holder at something like 50MT and it was kind of the"Bugatti Veyron" of nuclear weapons, whereas the rest were merely Porsche 911's.
I.E. Ridiculously expensive in comparison to the rest of the arsenal and not built in great numbers.
Indeed most nuclear warheads are tactical and have a selectable yield. The Tsar Bomba was a propaganda weapon.
zykotec wrote:
It dodn't matter at all how many bombs they had during the cold war for two reasons. First of all, they'd concentrate on strategic targets, not the tottal destruction of earth. So most bobmbs would be hiiting the US cities, and military installations and similar Russian/east european targets. Second, the bombing would probably stop quite soon after the first vawe of bombs, since both those in charge, and a good few of the installations carrying these weapons would have allready perished, or have come to their senses....
Yes well put, there's also failure rate and interception to consider which means you need to fire multiple missiles at the same targets to increase the odds of success.
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:01 pm
by Player of Games
If Australia wasn't affected by nuclear war, what caused the breakdown of civilization there ? In the thread mentioned by MWFV8 Australia becomes one of the leading nations of the world after the blast so it supposedly wasn't affected as hard as the nations embroiled in the Cold War.
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:15 pm
by zykotec
Player of Games wrote:If Australia wasn't affected by nuclear war, what caused the breakdown of civilization there ? In the thread mentioned by MWFV8 Australia becomes one of the leading nations of the world after the blast so it supposedly wasn't affected as hard as the nations embroiled in the Cold War.
I guess shortage of inmported supplies and the well known fuel shortage that started the war in the first place. And living in a world ruined by war might affect also those living outside the war zone
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:36 am
by MWFV8
Indeed in the opening montage of RoadWarrior I'm sure the timeline says there's a fuel shortage before the war.
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:13 pm
by Player of Games
I know that ! In order to achieve such an utter destruction, the political and moral systems must have broken down first, hunger and fear fuelling the coruption. It is scary how thin the cloak of civilization is we wear so proudly. IMHO it is a pity MM3 makes it clear that the movies are set in Australia. Otherwise the wasteland could be perceived as the archetype of a destroyed civilization in any part of the world....My english sucks today, sorry...
Re: Another theory about the MM timeline
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 7:25 am
by faizanmazhar00
Uncle Entity wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:20 am
Well,
I must confess I'm starting to love and dig the idea to put another "quantum leap" in-between MM2 and MM3 in the same league of the one in-between MM1 and MM3
.
This means I'm liking the idea to set apart the breakdown of the society and the nuclear exchange once and for all.
So I'm totally revising the post-MM1 timespan in my mind... and that speaks volume, isn't it? .
That's my idea: each ending sequence is set about one year after the main events of the same movie and, MEANWHILE, a big "event" is happening elsewhere, changing the Mad Max World forever. Got it?
1996 - Energy crisis. The basis of the Oil war Apocalypse = Pox-Eclypse.
MAD MAX - 1997/1998. I mean, while Max is taking care of Johnny The Boy, the World War III has broken out and the breakdonw of the society has JUST started. Ironically, Johnny's act of scavenging like a vulture is an omen of the nasty things to come. Max is 24 years old.
1999 - The 747 plane rises and clashes. So, it happened before any nuclear exchange or nuclear winter, when there was still some fuel left to run a plane so big like that. After all, in 2005 Captain Walker and the adults STILL believed there were cities to join out of there, and that's because they just experienced the breakdown, not the nuclear exchange. Makes sense.
2002/3 - THE ROAD WARRIOR. That's why there's still seas left intact (Paradiso/Sunshine Coast) and Max has no geiger counter with him. The society has fallen down, the nuclear exhange has not yet happened. That was the final straw. Max is 29/30 years old. Ironically, the mashroom you can see at the ending, when the Refinery blows up, is an omen of the nasty things to come. During the very ending of RW, the nuclear exchange is happening. It only involves the costal cities.
2004/7 - Nuclear Winter.
2018/19 - BEYOND THUNDERDOME. Max is 45 years old.
What do you say?
Im wondering that