The dogs of war and their sexuality

[Biker]

Have to agree with Desloc, Wez was gay. Just look at their outfits! Need any clearer an indication than that?

As for the look that was passed between them when Wez nailed that geezer (Dammit, what was his name?!) to the dune buggy, that was pure "Look at me, I'm sooooo cool, impressed huh?" I hear what you're saying Humvee, and those others that think Wez's intentions were pure fatherly. But from the first moment I saw them on the big screen it was clear to me just what their relationship was exactly.

I'd heard about the Pizza delivery boy story (Lucky git for having had that chance!) and the farm scene before. To be honest I put the latter down to Vernon Wells putting a little spin on his role because it's hard to balance such a bad ass character being such a raging poofta. I find it easier if you start thinking of Wez as a Wesley. No offence intended to anyone actually named "Wesley" of course.

The "Ve ull lost somevun ve love." Seems clear to me too. In their world horror was a daily thing, everyone would have lost family and friends to that horror. Hummie was just empathising with Wez, reminding him to cool it, he ain't the only one.

Hey P.F. welcome to the board, I'm a brit living in your beautiful country!

Biker

[P.F.]

Hi Biker. I hope that you did not discover the "Mad Max" movies in your country. In england, they were probably censored, like the movies of Bruce Lee in the 70's.

[Biker]

Censored? Bruce Lee's films were censored in the UK!!

No surely not! LOL! I had a very pleasent evening a few months ago on Youtube watching all the editted out footage from Game of Death when he fought his way up the various levels until he finally took on Kareem Abdul Jabarr. Great to finally see it! The Nunchaku scene especially. I learnt how to use those things years ago. Got the mandatory bruised elbows and knees but once I got the hang of 'em I was bloody fast!!

As for the Mad Max films. Maybe they were censored but when I saw the first one back in 1979 in a UK cinema it seemed pretty raw then and seeing it a few years later I didn't think it was any different... however if you know better, I'm allll ears.
I recall the video release of MM2 was slightly edited down when compared to the version I saw at the pictures. But certainly nowhere near as drasticly as Bruce Lee's Game of Death was chopped about. Enter the dragon the Nunchaku scene cropped too. Hmmm wait a sec'!! Big Boss has a Nunchaku scene as well! I forgot all about that one!!

I'm off! See ya over at Youtube p'raps.

Biker

P.F. So where abouts in France are you then?

[P.F.]

I am living in Normandy, not far from Rouen. About "The big boss", there is no nunchaku scene. But the uncut version, including the saw scene, would have been available in England at the end of the 70's. I do not know if Miller's films were cut in England, but I know the bad reputation of english censorship.

[Biker]

Normandy? Me too! Bit more west of you though, 40kms south of Caen. Just outside of Condé Sur Noireau.

Big Boss, sorry, you're right, my mistake it was Fist of Fury see here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMqj7VlyT3E

I saw the saw scene at a late night showing of Bruce Lee's films at the cinema but when they came out on video most of those scenes were gone. Funny how something like that can get chopped about and censored 'For our protection' yet graphic horror films are permitted. I mean who would want to watch Zombie films? (LOL!!)

Incidently your English is fine P.F. It's much better than my French anyday!

Hmmm I think we've hi-jacked this thread long enough, back to the programme....

Dogs of war and their sexuality. Don't you think Wez's remark of "If he's alive, I want him." Was meant as simply as a "I wanna waste him myself" remark? Not to want him as a potential replacement bed warmer for Golden Youth?

Biker

[mack tanker]

He wanted to take him out from the begining, see how he freeks out when he see's max in the tanker

[Biker]

Exactly! There's no mooning over Max in Wez's eyes. Just murder most foul.

He said "You, you can run but you can't hide!"

He didn't say: "hey big boy, fancy some o' this?" and turned and spanked his bare buttock at Max.

Nope Wez was a card carrying brown hatter. And in my mind that's makes him a lot nastier a baddie.

[P.F.]

At the Bruce Lee Film Festival, in 1979 at London, the version of "The big boss" was almost complete. But the saw scene was not there.

About Wez, when he says that he wants Max alive, the message is clear. He wants to offer him a slow death. But it is funny to notice that he stays on the road and does not try to catch himself Max. For a predator like him, his prudence is surprising. It is also funny to think that a beast like Wez can guess that the car is trapped.

[HUMVEE Driver]

I don't think that Wez suspected the car was trapped and he was being careful. I think he hung back because he was just relishing the moment. He had defeated Max and the fast car and he was enjoying having his underlings bring him his prizes, both his victim (Max) and the guzzoline.

HUMVEE Driver

[Suede]

Almost hate to bring this post back on topic.

But i still say that Wez was gay, or at least uncarring as to who his lover was as long as he was obediant. Notice the way the G.Y was dressed, a chestless leather vest with a collar and lead. Now thats a pretty heavy s/m leather outfit of i can say so. No real room for errors.

I think the gang was kinda like how Thompson spoke of the Hells Angels. That they werent gay, but more "sexually ambiguous", using sexuality as a weapon of control, than anything else.

When the Humongous spoke of "weve all lost someone we loved", thats the clincher, we know he was Wez's lover. No mere "protege" would be dressed in skin tight leathers, a chest-less leather vest, a dog collar and lead and be lead around on the bitch seat of a kwaka. Its just mere homophobic. In fact i beleive they made Wez's character gay-esque just to further squick the audience, believing that the marauders ddint care who they loved or how.