After ALOT of thinking and after all this recent 'chatter' in the news about MM4, I have come to question whether or not I really want George Miller involved in the story line of MM4 and heres why;
1. look how his 'Beyond Thunderdome' turned out. (yes stuck with max but was not max if you know what i mean)
2. look at his latest films, if it's not a dark comedy (Witches Of Eastwick) then it's a childrens film (babe, babe 2, happy feet)
3. he wants to make a mad max game BUT DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE MAD MAX AS A CHARACTER?!?! WTF!
and the most important one
4. he wants to make the new mm4 film an animation?? AGAIN WITH NO MAD MAX OR MEL?!?!
It's been said on this forum thousands of times that the MM4 needs to be for the fans so yes in a way i am stating the obvious. I believe Miller could do a good job at directing but maybe he shouldn't be involved in creating a script. I am so scepticle of his new script.
The best way for this film to be done is for the script to be released to this website for member view only so that we can give feedback and offer ideas to make the script top notch! (i know we all agree Mel and Mad Max needs to be in it)
I know i don't speak for myself when i say these things and also i do not want to see the mm4 movie bagged on this website.
Thoughts?
Maybe Miller is the problem?
Maybe Miller is the problem?
"you know what i think?..Don't think, drink!"
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I've also been thinking, Maybe a Mad Max 4 isn't a good idea. I know I don't want my favorite films to be mainstreamed in a bad way. Everyone at my school saying have you seen Mad Max 4? Have you seen the first 3? Uh no? You Bastard!!!
So maybe this isn't something we should praise. I hate my generation so the thought of them liking it makes be sick since they like Twilight,Jonas Brothers,High School Musical and the fact most of 'em are conformist posers.
So maybe this isn't something we should praise. I hate my generation so the thought of them liking it makes be sick since they like Twilight,Jonas Brothers,High School Musical and the fact most of 'em are conformist posers.
"Between them and us, there's not enough runway!"
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I agree to some extent, but you can't dingle cake in front of someone and not let them have a bite!
"you know what i think?..Don't think, drink!"
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Road Warrior Fanatic
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We won't be able to have a bite if it's a friggen anime feature because it isn't real.. We want reality and not a painted canvass with moving pictures. You can't get blown away by that. Cartoons do not and cannot give an atmospheric feel of adrenaline. It can't happen. Anime is good- just not for a Mad Max movie. We want real people, real machines, real explosions and most of all real stunts. It has to look and feel real in order for anyone for to get a sense of suspense or fear or both or whatever. A cartoon will not provide that. Miller stated in one interview that he wasn't concerned whether or not this new film would stack up to the others or be like the others. That's when I said "Uh oh..." I think that Miller is losing his marbles. If all we see is a cartoon and no live action then Miller has probably lost his marbles to us when it comes to not fulfilling the true nature of Mad Max. Sure he created the character but that doesn't mean a director can't lose his luster down the road. Not saying that he's going cenile for "real". I'm just using the marbles metaphor of course. All I'm saying is that he's changed BUT he should NOT bring Max in WITH that change. In order for the fourth installment to be a success it needs to be darker, more explosive and more violent. Period. It needs to be a trend setter as the other films were, especially Road Warrior. Some directors change their directing styles and some don't.
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nfpgasmask
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I agree. The film should not be made, period. Enough with all the rehashing, remaking, and bogus sequels. Hollywood has already ruined the Aliens storyline, the Predator storyline, and now the Terminator franchise as well. I just read there is going to be a Red Dawn remake (why God, why?).Bad cop wrote:I've also been thinking, Maybe a Mad Max 4 isn't a good idea. I know I don't want my favorite films to be mainstreamed in a bad way. Everyone at my school saying have you seen Mad Max 4? Have you seen the first 3? Uh no? You Bastard!!!
So maybe this isn't something we should praise. I hate my generation so the thought of them liking it makes be sick since they like Twilight,Jonas Brothers,High School Musical and the fact most of 'em are conformist posers.
Bart
PS - I know there is a lot of hate surrounding Thunderdome, and yes, it was a little Hollywood, but I personally find the film extremely enjoyable. I know there is no Pursuit Special in the film, but imo, I think it is great, and fits well with the other two films. I like all three.
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cruzn2the max
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one only has to look what is happening at the roadwars and that seems to be revolved around madmax 2 & 3.
madmax 4 i know for sure is not animated and will be real stunts, casting starts next year if not already, i also think people should not can it till its all done,
then go to town, people have been waiting for years for a madmax4, so whos to know it will be shelved again and all this hipe just gets one going, all for nothing.
those involved will have to sign a confidality thing and cannot say anything any way, its hard to know what they are going to do as there was such a big gap
between max2 and 3, only time will tell but at least its gets us fans all excited
i would like to see it go back between no 2 & 3 but is this realy unrealistic, or even back to the start, but at the end of the day its been some 25 years
maybe as badcop says it isnt a good idea for a madmax 4, by jesus i wish i knew george miller id put my 2 bobs worth in, pardon the pun, (bob)
madmax 4 i know for sure is not animated and will be real stunts, casting starts next year if not already, i also think people should not can it till its all done,
then go to town, people have been waiting for years for a madmax4, so whos to know it will be shelved again and all this hipe just gets one going, all for nothing.
those involved will have to sign a confidality thing and cannot say anything any way, its hard to know what they are going to do as there was such a big gap
between max2 and 3, only time will tell but at least its gets us fans all excited
i would like to see it go back between no 2 & 3 but is this realy unrealistic, or even back to the start, but at the end of the day its been some 25 years
maybe as badcop says it isnt a good idea for a madmax 4, by jesus i wish i knew george miller id put my 2 bobs worth in, pardon the pun, (bob)
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I agree on the "teening" of sequels nowdays.
I grew up on heavy doses of mad max, blade runner and aliens. Aliens was probably the most watched by me of the three.
I watched the newest 'aliens vs predator' and I honestly thought it should have been named "Aliens 90210".
I think we, old school fans have to face the reality that the scope of cinema is changing. The key demographic for cinema audiences is and always has been 14-24 year olds. That is the age group that do not have heavy social responsibilities but do have an expendable income to spend at the cinema. Films are aimed at this age group accordingly. Its pointless making a film that appeals to a limited age group. It would flop at the cinema. This is why modern scripts have a younger lifestyle emphasis written into them. You only need to look at Transformers to see evidence of that.
25 years ago, the favoured style of story telling was different. We favoured heroes that also had a healthy dose of anti-hero in them. These character types were almost undecided if they wanted to be heroes in the first place and that is why we loved them. For example:
Max rockatansky - Mad max (didnt want to be a hero)
'numerous roles' - Clint eastwood films (didn't want to be a hero)
Rick Deckard - Blade runner (didn't want to be a hero)
Ellen Ripley - Aliens (didn't want to be a hero)
Han solo - Star wars (didn't want to be a hero)
John Maclane - Die Hard (didn't want to be a hero)
Kyle Reece - Terminator (didn't want to be a hero)
Sarah Conner - Terminator (didn't want to be a hero)
etc etc... these ar just example as the list could go on for pages and no doubt, as you're reading this you are probably thinking of characters and films that I've missed that have this successful formula. This was almost the bench mark for blockbuster films in the eighties. Unfortunately it is no longer the eighties and there is a new generation attending the cinema and funding films through ticket purchases.
In short, if you were a director, do you make a film that you have doubts if it will be successful, or do you adjust the script to appeal to the 'twilight, hannah montana' crowd that is your key demographic and fill cinemas. I hate to say but I can envisage the storyline of our beloved mad max genre will be adjusted to appeal to this class of film watchers.
I grew up on heavy doses of mad max, blade runner and aliens. Aliens was probably the most watched by me of the three.
I watched the newest 'aliens vs predator' and I honestly thought it should have been named "Aliens 90210".
I think we, old school fans have to face the reality that the scope of cinema is changing. The key demographic for cinema audiences is and always has been 14-24 year olds. That is the age group that do not have heavy social responsibilities but do have an expendable income to spend at the cinema. Films are aimed at this age group accordingly. Its pointless making a film that appeals to a limited age group. It would flop at the cinema. This is why modern scripts have a younger lifestyle emphasis written into them. You only need to look at Transformers to see evidence of that.
25 years ago, the favoured style of story telling was different. We favoured heroes that also had a healthy dose of anti-hero in them. These character types were almost undecided if they wanted to be heroes in the first place and that is why we loved them. For example:
Max rockatansky - Mad max (didnt want to be a hero)
'numerous roles' - Clint eastwood films (didn't want to be a hero)
Rick Deckard - Blade runner (didn't want to be a hero)
Ellen Ripley - Aliens (didn't want to be a hero)
Han solo - Star wars (didn't want to be a hero)
John Maclane - Die Hard (didn't want to be a hero)
Kyle Reece - Terminator (didn't want to be a hero)
Sarah Conner - Terminator (didn't want to be a hero)
etc etc... these ar just example as the list could go on for pages and no doubt, as you're reading this you are probably thinking of characters and films that I've missed that have this successful formula. This was almost the bench mark for blockbuster films in the eighties. Unfortunately it is no longer the eighties and there is a new generation attending the cinema and funding films through ticket purchases.
In short, if you were a director, do you make a film that you have doubts if it will be successful, or do you adjust the script to appeal to the 'twilight, hannah montana' crowd that is your key demographic and fill cinemas. I hate to say but I can envisage the storyline of our beloved mad max genre will be adjusted to appeal to this class of film watchers.
Kick her in the guts Barry !
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FordMercury
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Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 are just horrible, i mean the second one is probably even worse.....they got rid of the queen probably for monetary reasons,there's absolutely no character development in the movie whatsoever and the PredAlien thing is also stupid. Since they had to have the alien to be able to reproduce, they come up with that thing that puts the embrios directly...so no eggs...but the alien had come out from both humans and dogs and it still needed a queen to breed......this is just stupid.....thanks Fox indeed...