Transavia PL-12

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Taipan wrote:
SCREWLOOSE wrote:Sorry to hijack your thread Uncle....

What I’d like to know is when the Airtruk is Sydney bound we see it hit a dust storm. I always wondered is the dust storm real, if so was it just fortunate timing it occurred when Thunderdome was being made? Or was it all done via special effects?
I'll answer for Uncle Entity:

That dust storm was very real. And it was very fortunate timing as there was no mention of a dust storm occurring in the original script. The filming crew was just lucky, they took the opportunity and flew into the storm for the epic shot that we can see in the movie. Fun fact - that dust storm was pretty epic and was documented in Coober Pedy Times. To this day you can buy postcards with that dust storm at Coober Pedy.

Terrific. I didn't know that. I absolutely love it.
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Uncle Entity wrote:
Nightwalker wrote:If you look at the specifications here you will see it has a cargo capacity of 910Kg. Those 11 persons do not weigh that much together. Some of them are even children who don't weigh that much.
But the "overloaded" statement by Jebediah could be correct at the first take-off attempt with also Max and the cargo still on board.
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Also keep in mind this is in a post-apocalyptic world. There is probably not much maintenance done to the engine. And the plane has already a considerable age. Therefore the engine has absolutely not the original amount of power any more. So, if the weight of the 12 people and cargo combined would be about max cargo weight, that explains why it couldn't get of the ground at the first run.
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SCREWLOOSE wrote:Love the idea Max was transporting Interceptor parts in the Camel Wagon..Was this touched upon in the comic series prior to Fury Road? I would need to dig the comics out from the attic to familiarise myself with them.

Personally I really like the Camel Wagon, how its looks, its functionality and the noise it makes as it roars past the Airtruk towards Auntie and her oncoming posse. However I was not a fan of George Miller’s intention to make a Thunderdome style “Razor Cola” as you showed in one of your videos...out of interest was that the same vehicle with a kit installed or a secondary vehicle that had been made and then repurposed for the end chase scene when the idea was scrapped.

One more question and I promise to shut up...The book “The Art of Mad Max Fury Road” shows the Rotar Riders concept idea...basically a helicopter style apparatus strapped to a persons back. Did George Miller ever have any intention to try incorporate this into the film or was it always conceptual?
Max transporting the new Interceptor parts is not mentioned in the comic book at all. Mark Sexton mentioned this plot point in one of the podcasts, the name escapes me right now. So there's no need to look for any evidence of that in the prequel comic books, but it's cool to think that Max was wandering around trying to build himself a new Interceptor even before Beyond Thunderdome!

The alternative version of Max's Camel Wagon (Max #2) is the same car that Max used to drive. In short - that is a dressed up Camel Wagon. In the script it was meant to have fox tails and roof headlights and stuff, essentially 'tricked out' by Bartertown's mechanics. I think they wanted to make it look like an iteration of the Interceptor with the roof spoiler and the tanks in the back. And the fact that the cabin of the Camel Wagon was in fact an XB Sedan - the same type of car that Max used to drive in the first Mad Max (Yellow Interceptor). They just cut it in half. So when you think about it, Max was never without his car of choice - Ford Falcon in one way or another.

As far as "Roto Raiders"...

This is a very interesting topic you touched upon. I know I haven't made new videos in ages but I've been digging really deep (and I'm in fact editing a 40 min video that will answer your question).
The "Roto Raiders" were very much an idea that was supposed to be included in Fury Road. Essentially - it was a tribe of people using DIY helicopters akin to the Gyrocopter from MM2. Their function in the story was that they would attack the War Rig when it was stuck in the bog in the former Green Place. The idea was that when the War Rig was bogged down they'd see those lights in the fog in the distance thinking those were motorcycles. And then those lights would fly up revealing that those were not motorcycles but flying 'Rotoraiders' that would attack the War Rig from above. Then there would be a fight between them and the War Rig etc. But the entire sequence was cut and the only remnant of it is the sequence when Max comes back to the War Rig after blowing up the Peacemaker. Furiosa is not sure who she's seeing so she aims her gun at the fog.

But what's even more interesting is that the "Roto Raiders" were actually present - in a way - on the vehicle list as far as 2012. I have that list and I asked people why those things are in there, maybe Miller wanted to use them? The answer I got was that they never intended to build them, but they were still on the list.

And yet the most interesting thing is that Miller always wanted to use 'flying Vuvalini' in Fury Road. There was a tribe called 'Furies' in the original ending of Fury Road that was inspired by Greek mythology. But that's a very deep topic that requires many paragraphs to explain.
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Taipan wrote:Unfortunately I don't have much backstory material for Thunderdome, it's the only one out of the entire series that's very difficult to find that kind of stuff.

I tried contacting Ed Verraux who did storyboards and concept art but to no avail, same with Terry Hayes, and those are the people that could give answers to those questions.

But regarding Beyond Thunderdome and Fury Road, there's a cool little piece of trivia which you may or may not know about:
According to Mark Sexton the kids living in bombed out Sydney work with the Buzzards. They lure people in with their lights to Sydney and the Buzzards catch those people.
It's like a form of trade or protection deal or something.
I take this as happening in the Post-Thunderdome version of Tom Hardy's Mad Max World, not the Mel GIbson one.
The point of the whole "new" civilization created by Savannah Nix is that there will never be violence anymore. I think the epilogue of MMBT is set several years since the events of "Beyond Thunderdome", I would say 10-15 years later (2025-2030 in my timeline).
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I don't think its so much the weight the plane can carry, more the ability to get all those folk in such a cramped cargo area.
Re the Sydney thing and what happens later, stay tuned for the Savannah and Jedediah episodes on them of the Mad Max In Character podcast!
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Taipan wrote:
SCREWLOOSE wrote:Love the idea Max was transporting Interceptor parts in the Camel Wagon..Was this touched upon in the comic series prior to Fury Road? I would need to dig the comics out from the attic to familiarise myself with them.

Personally I really like the Camel Wagon, how its looks, its functionality and the noise it makes as it roars past the Airtruk towards Auntie and her oncoming posse. However I was not a fan of George Miller’s intention to make a Thunderdome style “Razor Cola” as you showed in one of your videos...out of interest was that the same vehicle with a kit installed or a secondary vehicle that had been made and then repurposed for the end chase scene when the idea was scrapped.

One more question and I promise to shut up...The book “The Art of Mad Max Fury Road” shows the Rotar Riders concept idea...basically a helicopter style apparatus strapped to a persons back. Did George Miller ever have any intention to try incorporate this into the film or was it always conceptual?
Max transporting the new Interceptor parts is not mentioned in the comic book at all. Mark Sexton mentioned this plot point in one of the podcasts, the name escapes me right now. So there's no need to look for any evidence of that in the prequel comic books, but it's cool to think that Max was wandering around trying to build himself a new Interceptor even before Beyond Thunderdome!

The alternative version of Max's Camel Wagon (Max #2) is the same car that Max used to drive. In short - that is a dressed up Camel Wagon. In the script it was meant to have fox tails and roof headlights and stuff, essentially 'tricked out' by Bartertown's mechanics. I think they wanted to make it look like an iteration of the Interceptor with the roof spoiler and the tanks in the back. And the fact that the cabin of the Camel Wagon was in fact an XB Sedan - the same type of car that Max used to drive in the first Mad Max (Yellow Interceptor). They just cut it in half. So when you think about it, Max was never without his car of choice - Ford Falcon in one way or another.

As far as "Roto Raiders"...

This is a very interesting topic you touched upon. I know I haven't made new videos in ages but I've been digging really deep (and I'm in fact editing a 40 min video that will answer your question).
The "Roto Raiders" were very much an idea that was supposed to be included in Fury Road. Essentially - it was a tribe of people using DIY helicopters akin to the Gyrocopter from MM2. Their function in the story was that they would attack the War Rig when it was stuck in the bog in the former Green Place. The idea was that when the War Rig was bogged down they'd see those lights in the fog in the distance thinking those were motorcycles. And then those lights would fly up revealing that those were not motorcycles but flying 'Rotoraiders' that would attack the War Rig from above. Then there would be a fight between them and the War Rig etc. But the entire sequence was cut and the only remnant of it is the sequence when Max comes back to the War Rig after blowing up the Peacemaker. Furiosa is not sure who she's seeing so she aims her gun at the fog.

But what's even more interesting is that the "Roto Raiders" were actually present - in a way - on the vehicle list as far as 2012. I have that list and I asked people why those things are in there, maybe Miller wanted to use them? The answer I got was that they never intended to build them, but they were still on the list.

And yet the most interesting thing is that Miller always wanted to use 'flying Vuvalini' in Fury Road. There was a tribe called 'Furies' in the original ending of Fury Road that was inspired by Greek mythology. But that's a very deep topic that requires many paragraphs to explain.

Awesome Taipans thanks for this info, it seems there are so many ideas that never came to fruition for George Miller. Really hope we get another Max film at some point - I am not really enamoured at the thought of a Furiosa film.

You've wetted my appetite for more information on the Mad Max Universe, really looking forward to your next video 8-)

@MrEModels, I am really enjoying your Podcasts...lockdown UK has had its benefits in recent weeks. :lol:
Pray hes out there!!
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Cheers! Recording the one on Capable in 15 minutes ;)
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