New BoB Inaccuracies and do they matter?

[Nightwalker]

regardless of whether it was the last one or not, it was cobbled together from other wrecks, so before it was put together they were the last, wasnt Knightrider in a V8? then at that time it would have been the last, I always assumed that "a piece from here a piece from there" meant that they may even have salvaged parts from the Knightriders car.

cars are made from factory made mass produced parts, even if it was the last, that would only be until someone found the parts and built another.

The BoB wasn't cobbled together from old wrecks. Because Max, the top pursuit man, wanted to leave the force, his boss Fifi has managed to get the funding for a special pursuit vehicle that would seduce Max to stay with the force. That piece of 'candy' was financed by Labatouche, who is the boss of Fifi or the head of the MFP and didn't like wasting money. Max's colleagues and the mechanic all knew about this and had to keep this from Max. So, the mechanic just says he got it together with a piece from here and a piece from there to give a convincing explanation without drawing suspicion.

[Knightrider]

regardless of whether it was the last one or not, it was cobbled together from other wrecks, so before it was put together they were the last, wasnt Knightrider in a V8? then at that time it would have been the last, I always assumed that "a piece from here a piece from there" meant that they may even have salvaged parts from the Knightriders car.

cars are made from factory made mass produced parts, even if it was the last, that would only be until someone found the parts and built another.

The BoB wasn't cobbled together from old wrecks. Because Max, the top pursuit man, wanted to leave the force, his boss Fifi has managed to get the funding for a special pursuit vehicle that would seduce Max to stay with the force. That piece of 'candy' was financed by Labatouche, who is the boss of Fifi or the head of the MFP and didn't like wasting money. Max's colleagues and the mechanic all knew about this and had to keep this from Max. So, the mechanic just says he got it together with a piece from here and a piece from there to give a convincing explanation without drawing suspicion.

I am well aware of the role of Labatouche and the funding, but still think the reason that they could not get V8s was because no one was manufacturing them due to gas shortages. I do not think they just bought that car and showed it to max, i think they bought parts and put the car together, or took one of the existing cars and highly customized it, since some parts were probably rare and hard to come by they may have had toscavenged them.

although if it actually was the very last production model to roll off the assembly line that would make more sense about when the mechanic in MM2 knows all about it. Hmmm. I always thought that the car was either specifically famous because a rogue MFP officer stole it and went on a rampage, then had wanted posters and media coverage, or because they just meant that it was one of the last models of V8 ever built.

Still to think he would be able to put together a car at any time post MM1 2 or 3 is not unreasonable considering the Buzzards and Joe are all building cars, plus bartertown had built some post apocalypse, and what was that thing Papagallow drove.

plus if you have seen what people can do in their garages at home with the right tools, most people dont realize how easy it is to customize or fabricate a lot of car parts. Look at some of these Harley Davidsons that people combine parts from all different models and create things and just make parts fit when they are not even the right model or make.

[Trundlefish]

... or because they just meant that it was one of the last models of V8 ever built.

This is exactly what I've always thought.

In a country as vast Australia and with very little/if any communications in the wasteland, there is no way that the mechanic in Mad Max 2 could ever know that the interceptor was definitely 'the last of the V8s'.

I've always taken it to mean that the mechanic knows that it was the last model of the V8's to be made available/be known before the collapse.

Another possible thought is that it was just a turn of phrase, as in the mechanic (or anyone else for that matter) had not seen an interceptor (similar or otherwise) for a very long time.

[DetritusMaximus]

It's great to have new blood in the forums

Why thank you. Even if you weren't directly referring to me. I've been a Mad Max fan for years now, and was pumped when I saw that Comic-Con trailer. Now seemed the time to join.

I think you guys need to figure out what these words mean and what they mean to the principals involved.

This what my first post in this thread, and indeed my first post on the forums, was attempting to do. Simplify the terminology so that people aren't constantly re-arguing the same points, not realizing they've been established.

And there is nothing to say there is/was only one BoB. It would be daft to think anyone hauled up that wreck and rebuilt it. It's just 'another' car.

But there is only one, isn't there? That's sort of the point of the BoB. It's entirely unique. It's "the last of the V8 interceptors". There can only be one. George Miller doesn't try to fool his audience. We're looking at the same vehicle from Road Warrior. It's not a duplicate, and it wasn't repaired. It was smashed twice. It might be smashed in the game, and in each of the new trilogy movies (assuming they get made.) The destruction of the BoB is part of the legend of the warrior we called Max. This is just another version of how it was destroyed, tied to an entirely different tale of Max's.

Well, that was kind of my point, it doesn't matter what we think those words mean. It is entirely subjective and the real intent of the words depends on the point of view of the person saying them. If they have a loose interpretation in mind then my narrow definition will not and cannot be reconciled with their intent.

I wouldn't say George doesn't fool with people. The Gyro Captain and Jedediah are not the same person yet this identical looking guy is in both RW and Thunderdome. If you wish to take only onscreen 'facts' into consideration (the idea is that if it's in the movie, it counts toward figuring out Max's world and can't be separated from it), then have a frame by frame look at the shots in MM when Jessie is running from Toecutter and the rest after the ice cream incident. You will see another BoB parked next to a house. The car and model were built in number (at least two!). I always took it to mean that Fifi and the mechanic put together a very hot Pursuit Special. It was the drivetrain, not the body that was special. It wasn't even entirely unique, the Knightriders car was also a hot Pursuit Special, different make but still a special car. Or maybe in that sector, that MFP unit didn't rate a Pursuit Special and it took some wrangling to get the funds to purchase or build one. Other units could have priority with regard to dwindling resources.

[DetritusMaximus]

... or because they just meant that it was one of the last models of V8 ever built.

This is exactly what I've always thought.

In a country as vast Australia and with very little/if any communications in the wasteland, there is no way that the mechanic in Mad Max 2 could ever know that the interceptor was definitely 'the last of the V8s'.

I've always taken it to mean that the mechanic knows that it was the last model of the V8's to be made available/be known before the collapse.

Another possible thought is that it was just a turn of phrase, as in the mechanic (or anyone else for that matter) had not seen an interceptor (similar or otherwise) for a very long time.

Much like people saying 'The last of the muscle cars'. Not literal, just a reference to an era winding down.

[Knightrider]

watching the scene right now as i type this, the mechanic has the hood off and has the grease covers on so he is clearly doing something to it, also there is a yellow bucket next to the engine that max knocks away when revving the carb, and then in the next shot it is back in the same spot

also the fact that it is the very next scene following the destruction of Knightrider that the car comes together, I think this is what makes me assume they found one of the parts they needed in that wreck, although I admit that is my own speculation.

[DetritusMaximus]

Well, one of the recurrent themes in the series is that of salvage. It doesn't matter where it came from, they ain't making anymore.

[Knightrider]

not sure if this is the right thread but since we were just talking about it here, Ill go ahead, here is an idea i just thought of...perhaps the BoB is the last of the V8s left of all of those that were allotted to MFP, all across the whole country they have all been destroyed, MFP has no budget so all the departments are fighting to get it, Labatouche uses political connections and bribes to get the last V8 sent to the department where Max is, the mechanic from RW is a mechanic who formerly worked at a different department from max but he knows about the car because the other departments wanted it also.

OK sorry for yet another theory and the divergence.

[roadwarriormfp]

Maxs Pursuit Special (Interceptor) was a ONE off. Its was specifically built for Max.

It was built by the MFP mechanic. "Shes the last of the V8s." Means it was the last production made V8 in Australia. (Its explained in the novel).
In the same way the Nightrider Monaro was an Pursuit Special, it was built specially for a MFP officer.
All the MFP cars were "one offs" due to the lack of budget and high turn around of vehicles.

Hence no two cars were alike. The March Hare was an Interceptor (an XA Falcon with same paint scheme as the Big Boppers which was a Pursuit car)

This fantasy that dozens of these cars were built is just that. There was only a few dozen MFP officers as their resources and budget where thin.

In MM2 when the crippled mechanic sees it and calls it the Last of the V8 Interceptors, he is referring to the fact he knows the type of car it is (last of the V8s) and that it has to be a MFP car due to the way its engine was set up (as only the MFP woulve done it).

[Nightwalker]

For me the mechanic got it all together with a piece from here and a piece from there. But all those pieces where bought with the money provided by Labatouche. Because of the collapse of the economy and society, all manufactures probably have stopped producing cars because people cant buy them anymore. The BoB is probably one of the last models indeed. Prices for spare parts are probably rising dramatically. The mechanic needed a lot of money to pull it off. Thats way Labatouche didn't like wasting money. He wanted to be sure it would work to keep the top pursuit man with the force. And because it was one of the last, the mechanic of MM2 knew about it. MM1 plays right befor the total collapse. The group of Papagallo fled to the wasteland refinery at that time. So, after those 2 or 3 years he was surprised to see one of those last manufactured cars.
If the mechanic would have used parts salvaged from old wrecks, it wouldn't have cost him much money. The MFP was able to get all the crashed cars to the halls of justice. They did that with the car that got totally destroyed by the biker gang. That would be very cheap for the mechanic to cannibalize for parts.
And the BoB had fuel injection. A system that was introduced not that long ago. So most cars don't have it yet. The mechanic had to buy a system to install it himself. The Nightrider shouts he is a fuel injected suicide machine. He used that probably because it was a revolutionary new system for engine management. New is better. The pursuit car he stole in Sun City is, by the looks of it, an older beat up model. No fuel injection. And salvaging parts from that wreck looks impossible to me after the explosion the car tuned into.

I've looked at the other possibilities that are put down here. But after considering all the details given in the movie, this is my conclusion. And we also have to remember that GM made the first movie with a very low budget and the storyline isn't worked out in such a high detail. And because of the low budget, they probably also used the movie vehicles to move around the crew and equipment. That's why you see the BoB in that scene at the ice cream shop.