Possible pictures of actual Fury Road vehicles

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A realistic form of transportation would be Max's vehicle from BT. A vehicle pulled by camels or horses.
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MWFV8 wrote:In all fairness what's the alternative? The Mad Max concept is built on premise of winner takes all, it's about being the fastest/strongest on four wheels. There's no real avenue for an economical alternative.

I mean, maybe there's a gang of Prius in Fury Road, all driving at a steady 50mph with their air-con turned off. Maybe they win. How exciting.
Only those sensible enough to buy hybrids, slow enough to drive eoncomicaly would survive. The yuppies took over the highways ready drive unnecessarily slowly. And in this maelstrom of dullness, ordinary men were made boring and annoying, men like Max.
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Bomber wrote:Jesus do you have to ruin every thread?
I suspect most of you couldn't survive the hint of a MM world, given your feelings get hurt so easily by mere dissenting views...
Don't toot your own horn too much please. For all we now you could be the first one to die in a hypothetical apocalyptic world.
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pauli77 wrote:
MWFV8 wrote:In all fairness what's the alternative? The Mad Max concept is built on premise of winner takes all, it's about being the fastest/strongest on four wheels. There's no real avenue for an economical alternative.

I mean, maybe there's a gang of Prius in Fury Road, all driving at a steady 50mph with their air-con turned off. Maybe they win. How exciting.
Only those sensible enough to buy hybrids, slow enough to drive eoncomicaly would survive. The yuppies took over the highways ready drive unnecessarily slowly. And in this maelstrom of dullness, ordinary men were made boring and annoying, men like Max.

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That was hilarious!

As for the mythical blower, of/on switch, it's only a technical difficulty of a machine. Something similar has been done. I can't find the link but have read that something similar has been built recently. That gearhead in MM could have designed something that worked.
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A GMC style roots type 6-71 blower can not be turned on and off. The impellers inside the case are have thousands of an inch clearance between each other and the case. No air or fuel would enter the engine. It takes a certain amount of horsepower from the engine just to turn the blower so turning it on alone could stall the engine. It's movie bs and not real. It would make no sense any way. The accelerator is your on/off switch.
I could go on but the reasons above are more than enough.
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It's funny how people argue about whether or not the blower can be switched on/off. Yeah, it's a 671 Roots, in a typical installation you can't. But, it is conceivable to build a bypass intake to circumvent the blower and reroute the incoming air to avoid it. Engineering-wise, it is possible. Toyota made a switchable blower for the MR2 (88-89).
For those that say this engineering would be unlikely to be done in a society falling apart, you have to remember that we do not know what motor was in the BoB. Sure, the movie car had a 351, but it also had a fake blower. The car in the script had what? Phase 4 heads? Some think that is a reference to the Phase 4 Falcons that weren't really produced, but that would be wrong. As I recall the Phase 4 heads (in real life) were over head valve motors. As stated in the movie this car 'has' multiple overhead cams. Going by that, saying that a switchable Roots blower is unrealistic in the Mad Max world is silly. Can it be done? Yes. Has it been done....not in a regular production car that I know of. In the context of the script, yes, someone did it.
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DetritusMaximus wrote:It's funny how people argue about whether or not the blower can be switched on/off. Yeah, it's a 671 Roots, in a typical installation you can't. But, it is conceivable to build a bypass intake to circumvent the blower and reroute the incoming air to avoid it. Engineering-wise, it is possible. Toyota made a switchable blower for the MR2 (88-89).
For those that say this engineering would be unlikely to be done in a society falling apart, you have to remember that we do not know what motor was in the BoB. Sure, the movie car had a 351, but it also had a fake blower. The car in the script had what? Phase 4 heads? Some think that is a reference to the Phase 4 Falcons that weren't really produced, but that would be wrong. As I recall the Phase 4 heads (in real life) were over head valve motors. As stated in the movie this car 'has' multiple overhead cams. Going by that, saying that a switchable Roots blower is unrealistic in the Mad Max world is silly. Can it be done? Yes. Has it been done....not in a regular production car that I know of. In the context of the script, yes, someone did it.
Bingo. Of all the points in the MM world, this one is by far the easiest to accept. Clearly this mechanic had skills. He had parts from here and there and he had been working on this car for a long time. The car was supposed to be special as a bride to keep Max around. Part of the coolness of the MM series was the mechanical contraptions that were invented out of necessity - which is the mother of all inventions. Other examples are the wrist crossbows, the air compressor guns, and some of the other vehicles and such in the series. I have no problem thinking that people can build unique equipment (I do take issues with the massive monster trucks we see in MM4 as impractical, but that's a separate issue).
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The mr2 was centrifugal not roots so it's possible to bypass. A Weiand GMC 6-71 based blower bolts to the intake which is bolted directly to the heads and intake ports. It can't be done. Why is it an issue? I'm a car guy. The missing throttle cable in the originals was enough to drive me nuts. I'm guessing the super mechanic installed something akin to the modern drive by wire throttles that has no wires or solenoid to operate it as well as making a on/off blower.
Really other than dramatic effect there is no reason for it. The accelerator is the only on/off switch you need.
If the originals didn't have this and there was an on/off blower in the Fury Road trailer people would be ripping it apart.
I's not realistic for a monster truck to survive that jump but this isn't a problem?
Phase 4 heads :lol:
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DetritusMaximus wrote:It's funny how people argue about whether or not the blower can be switched on/off. Yeah, it's a 671 Roots, in a typical installation you can't. But, it is conceivable to build a bypass intake to circumvent the blower and reroute the incoming air to avoid it. Engineering-wise, it is possible. Toyota made a switchable blower for the MR2 (88-89).
For those that say this engineering would be unlikely to be done in a society falling apart, you have to remember that we do not know what motor was in the BoB. Sure, the movie car had a 351, but it also had a fake blower. The car in the script had what? Phase 4 heads? Some think that is a reference to the Phase 4 Falcons that weren't really produced, but that would be wrong. As I recall the Phase 4 heads (in real life) were over head valve motors. As stated in the movie this car 'has' multiple overhead cams. Going by that, saying that a switchable Roots blower is unrealistic in the Mad Max world is silly. Can it be done? Yes. Has it been done....not in a regular production car that I know of. In the context of the script, yes, someone did it.

You cant do it in roots blower and yes you need to bypass the blower. This would mean an even taller intake adaptor and an alternate intake system and an alternate carburation system. That would man two sets of throttle cables, two sets of carbies, two fuel lines, return lines, list goes on and on.
Switching on and off and co-ordinating the shut-off of the intake by purely mechanical means (because remember no electronics) would be incredibly complex system.
As said before the MR2 wasnt a roots blower. So NO it hasnt been done ever, even today no one has been able to do it.

The Phase 4 heads reference is ambiguous i know and was possibly just added there as a reference to the GT HO series of Australian cars yes. Maybe they were looking into the future a lot because the DOHC Ford engine was inevitable.
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even today no one has been able to do it.
Mad Max opening scene... "A few years from now..."

Well, like all things mechanical, it can't be done until it's done. Then everyone steps back and say, "My God, it's so obvious."

Flight is a good example. Or sailing a huge boat. Or the building of the pyramids. All seem completely impossible until you understand the mechanics and science behind the laws and someone invents the right machine. Then it's totally obvious.

It's a machine. It's not violating any known laws of science of physics. It's not levitating, or falling unharmed from a height, or dodging bullets, or turning invisible. People can make machines work in certain ways (as long as they obey the laws of science) - an easy concept to accept for the MM world.

Oh, and PS - it HAS been invented. In 2012.
http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-mad-max-swi ... 39943.html
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leadcounsel wrote:
even today no one has been able to do it.
Mad Max opening scene... "A few years from now..."

Well, like all things mechanical, it can't be done until it's done. Then everyone steps back and say, "My God, it's so obvious."

Flight is a good example. Or sailing a huge boat. Or the building of the pyramids. All seem completely impossible until you understand the mechanics and science behind the laws and someone invents the right machine. Then it's totally obvious.

It's a machine. It's not violating any known laws of science of physics. It's not levitating, or falling unharmed from a height, or dodging bullets, or turning invisible. People can make machines work in certain ways (as long as they obey the laws of science) - an easy concept to accept for the MM world.
Your not a mechanical type person are you??

Been said by another... you CAN NOT TURN OFF A ROOTS TYPE BLOWER.

It cant suck air through the rotor vanes when its stopped.

It needs to suck air in through a taller adaptor plate under the blower.

This means another carby / injector system seperate to the blower.
It would be possible to run both system together but then whats the point?

The bigger issue is detonation and timing when you turn off the blower.
And to do it purely "mechanical" without a computer is not possible.

Hence the comment... It hasnt been done today because its not possible.

Sadly you prefer to just keep flogging a dead horse for the sake of annoying the crap out of people because you cant see past your own bubble.
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roadwarriormfp wrote:
leadcounsel wrote:
even today no one has been able to do it.
Mad Max opening scene... "A few years from now..."

Well, like all things mechanical, it can't be done until it's done. Then everyone steps back and say, "My God, it's so obvious."

Flight is a good example. Or sailing a huge boat. Or the building of the pyramids. All seem completely impossible until you understand the mechanics and science behind the laws and someone invents the right machine. Then it's totally obvious.

It's a machine. It's not violating any known laws of science of physics. It's not levitating, or falling unharmed from a height, or dodging bullets, or turning invisible. People can make machines work in certain ways (as long as they obey the laws of science) - an easy concept to accept for the MM world.
Your not a mechanical type person are you??

Been said by another... you CAN NOT TURN OFF A ROOTS TYPE BLOWER.

It cant suck air through the rotor vanes when its stopped.

It needs to suck air in through a taller adaptor plate under the blower.

This means another carby / injector system seperate to the blower.
It would be possible to run both system together but then whats the point?

The bigger issue is detonation and timing when you turn off the blower.
And to do it purely "mechanical" without a computer is not possible.

Hence the comment... It hasnt been done today because its not possible.

Sadly you prefer to just keep flogging a dead horse for the sake of annoying the crap out of people because you cant see past your own bubble.
PS - it HAS been invented. Apparently it's not impossible afterall...
http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-mad-max-swi ... z39wuinm4N
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