Test audience screening Wed 4/30

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I believed you, Uncle.

Anyway, because most of you reading this probably don't also read the AICN talkbacks, I'm going to post some comments made by a few folks who claim to have been there for the screening. Be warned. There are spoilers galore.
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Well, I was at the screening on Wednesday as well, and I have a very different take. To be fair, I walked in with reasonably lowered expectations, but I still found it falling far below them. The movie is essentially one long chase scene with barely a hint of plot or characterization. The action scenes (which comprise basically everything) are relatively well done, but the cardinal sin committed by Miller is that he actually makes Max a tangential character in the story. MINOR SPOILERS: Max is captured by Immortan Joe's people about three minutes into the film (the V8 interceptor is immediately trashed and stolen) and then held as a helpless captive mounted on the hood of a truck for the next half hour. END SPOILERS When he does enter the story, he does nothing to effectively alter it at all. He may as well not be there.

Hardy has about five or six lines of dialogue in the whole film, and he does them in a VERY deep voice with occasional hints of an Aussie accent (it's not Bane, but it's close). Other than that he grunts a lot. I'm sad to report that he's pretty badly miscast here. Hardy plays the role like an unkillable bulldog without a hint of intelligence, whereas Gibson's take on the character always presented Max as actually thinking his way through action sequences rather than simply being a brute force battering ram. There are some moments of weirdness, albeit all too few (and most are just dropped in without explanation and quickly dismissed) but the film is mostly comprised of an endless car and truck chase that begins at Immortan Joe's Citadel stronghold and then goes out into the desert before turning right back around and going back to the starting point. It's one long videogame sequence that played for over two hours but felt like six. Endless action gets dull when there's not a hint of character to be seen.

The closest we get to anything about Max is when he has a few flashes of his thirteen year old daughter (yes, I know he had a son in the original film, don't know where a daughter came from) appearing and saying "you promised to save us!" That's it.

The movie is, to put it mildly, a complete and total mess No plot, no character, unending chase scenes, a sense of Max being a tourist passing through the movie... oh, and it's fucking PG-13. No blood or nudity whatsoever. It cuts away anytime something might be too brutal for younger viewers.

Lower your expectations, folks. It's not the worst thing ever, but it's also not very good. I mean, THUNDERDOME actually towers above it. And lest you think I'm a hater, I went with a group of both MAD MAX lovers as well as newbies, and all of them HATED it. My prediction: fanboys will be annoyed, and MM virgins will be uninterested. This is not the franchise restart WB is hoping for. At all.
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Actually, it's about as deep as the Bane voice, with only an occasional hint of Australian. It's not quite Bane, but it's not far off. He also makes a weird (not good) choice and GRUNTS a lot. Has about five or six lines of dialogue in the film. As I mentioned in my above post, Hardy sadly seems miscast. He plays it all hulking brute force, without a hint of the thoughtful charisma Gibson had in the original films.
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I saw it last night. Enjoyed it a lot and what's great is that it's not afraid of being strange. It's definitely got a weird sensibility and isn't afraid of wearing its bizarre touches out in the open, in a great way. It's got awesome action absolutely drenched with imagination. Cool costumes, designs and music (hope they keep it!). Solid performances. The pacing is sometimes too fast or slow, par for the course at this point, and I wish the movie had more quiet, contemplative moments that contrast the action and deepen the world. But even so, it was touching, esp in how it showed characters losing and gaining hope in an utterly depressing world. The fact George Miller was able to bring his weird, personal vision to such an epic picture within the studio framework is a giant accomplishment. Wish we'd gotten a chance to see Miller's Justice League or Hobbit. He's a true visionary, bringing a unique pov and poetic understanding to the action.
Messiahman

And I realize that there wasn't a ton of blood or gore in the originals, but there was an intensity level to certain scenes (the rape/killing that Gyro Pilot witnesses in ROAD WARRIOR) that seemed quite adult. There are one or two noticeable scenes in FURY ROAD where the camera clearly shies away from what should be intense and shocking. Took me right out. As I said in my super-long post about the film, it's not the worst thing ever, but lowered expectations are key, as it's still a few clicks below even THUNDERDOME.
Messiahman

It's definitely a reimagining that takes place in its own universe, as Max specifically has flashbacks to a tweener daughter saying "you promised to save us." As we know. Max had a baby son in the first film - no daughter at all.. Also, he has the V8 Interceptor at the beginning of FURY ROAD, but then it's trashed and stolen, and he never retrieves it.
Messiahman

Yeah, the ending is set up to either follow Max on further separate adventures OR to revisit Charlize Theron's Imperator Furiosa character (in fact, she's the real protagonist of this one). Also, the post-apocalyptic world is a lot further along in this universe -- there are full blown mutant societies this time around. I'll give it to Miller that he manages to drop in some striking visuals and a few interesting ideas, and he can still shoot action. I just wish there had been more actual plot and characterization. The entire film is basically the final chase scene from THE ROAD WARRIOR stretched out to two hours. And Max himself doesn't affect it much.
Messiahman

The weird thing about Max in this one is that he's not really even the main character. He's almost tangential to it and doesn't even enter properly into the proceedings until the thirty minute mark. I'm sad to report that Hardy, who I normally like a lot, isn't very special here. Max has about five lines, always uttered in a low growl, and Hardy plays him as a bulldog type, rather than the thoughtful charisma that Gibson brought to the role. It's not terrible, but it's not the obvious star turn of Gibson.
Perhaps we should lower our expectations (?)
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Re: Test audience screening Wed 4/30

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I'm reserving judgement; disappointed the V8 isn't such a star turn though

I think we can safely say the reboot debate is settled. period.

The film is MM2' s tanker chase from start to end. Well I'm fine with that brothers! This aint 12 years a slave!!

Wonder if Theron looks anywhere near as hot as in Prometheus, mind?

Haven't heard any mention of the Nathan Jones/Rictus Erectus character; I was thinking this was the equivalent of Toecutter/Wez/Ironbar??
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As I have said before I refuse to see the film as a reboot. Instead I have chosen to interpret the film as a sequel and any inconsistencies can thus be attributed to the rashamon effect.
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Also, the AICN talk-backs don't have me worried at all. At a casual glance, "Mad Max 2" seems to have more action over character, but dozens of repeated viewings and discussions online indicate that there is just as much character as there is action, it simply done in a brilliant and subtle way.
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Our guy (we really need a name for him lol) has a rebuttal of sorts for the AICN "review". So the AICN comments are quoted and his response is not and underneath the quote:
Messiahman belicious beylicker • 2 days ago
Well, I was at the screening on Wednesday as well, and I have a very different take. To be fair, I walked in with reasonably lowered expectations, but I still found it falling far below them. The movie is essentially one long chase scene with barely a hint of plot or characterization. The action scenes (which comprise basically everything) are relatively well done, but the cardinal sin committed by Miller is that he actually makes Max a tangential character in the story.
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You could call it essentially one long chase or you could call it a "road movie". It doesn't make it a good film or a bad film. Plenty of good (even great) films have been based around a long chase.
The action scenes are "relatively well done"?? The action scenes in this movie are unlike anything anyone has ever seen. People will know what I mean when you finally see them. And I've seen a ton of movies and I'm not prone to huge exaggerations.

Again, this person clearly did see the movie, and it wasn't his cup of tea. I'm not really sure why. Again, he saw the negative side of everything. Yes, it's more of an ensemble piece, not a movie heavily based around Max, but I don't think that was a problem. Max was not "tangential" to the story in any way. Just as one example - the decision Max makes at the end of act two creates the entire third act.
Hardy has about five or six lines of dialogue in the whole film, and he does them in a VERY deep voice with occasional hints of an Aussie accent (it's not Bane, but it's close). Other than that he grunts a lot.
True. He has little dialogue (though the "five or six lines" is an exaggeration). Yeah, he has a deep voice. No, it's not close to Bane. Different accent, different intonation, different character and delivery.
I'm sad to report that he's pretty badly miscast here. Hardy plays the role like an unkillable bulldog without a hint of intelligence, whereas Gibson's take on the character always presented Max as actually thinking his way through action sequences rather than simply being a brute force battering ram.
Okay, now I'm starting to see that this reviewer had a chip on his shoulder and just wanted to see a Mel Gibson Mad Max movie again. Tom Hardy was miscast? Do you know what miscasting means? It means that if you gave another actor those same scenes, and that same dialogue (you know actors don't generally make up their own words, right?) they would have done a much better job. I can't think of too many actors who would have had the charisma and presence onscreen to play the Max character that was in this movie better than Tom Hardy did.

George Miller wanted a new movie, and he clearly wanted a slightly different Max. Tom Hardy delivered. As far as Max being a "brute force battering ram" in this movie, I must have been watching a different film.
There are some moments of weirdness, albeit all too few (and most are just dropped in without explanation and quickly dismissed)
Too few moments of weirdness? What?? There are so many weird and cool little touches in this movie that I could rattle off that I don't even know where to begin (but I won't - cause spoilers).
but the film is SPOILERS REMOVED BY ME. It's one long videogame sequence that played for over two hours but felt like six. Endless action gets dull when there's not a hint of character to be seen.
Again, anyone who thinks this was a dull movie that felt like six hours needs their brain checked. There were people in the theater around me that were literally breathless during some of the sequences. Not a hint of character to be seen? The female characters alone had people buzzing after the screening. I overheard a young woman thanking George Miller personally for writing such great strong female characters (without making them too over the top).
The closest we get to anything about Max is when he has a few SPOILERS REMOVED BY ME.
I'm sorry that Max doesn't take some screen time to talk about his abusive father. Or who he was before the world all fell apart. I'm sorry that there's no great love story to wrap yourself up in. Maybe that would have improved the movie for you.
The movie is, to put it mildly, a complete and total mess No plot, no character, unending chase scenes, a sense of Max being a tourist passing through the movie... oh, and it's fucking PG-13. No blood or nudity whatsoever. It cuts away anytime something might be too brutal for younger viewers.
"No blood or nudity whatsoever". Okay, I'm done with this guy. I'd say he was checking his Facebook when he should have been watching the movie, but they didn't allow phones in, so frankly, I don't know WHAT he was looking at. I guess six pairs of tits don't count as *nudity. I guess bodies going under car tires isn't brutal. And I guess all the blood I saw when people got killed and when a certain character got half their face ripped off was my imagination.

*DGSimo's Note: I can vouch for the possible nudity inclusion here due to learning last year of a group of characters called "The Milk Mothers" and well...use you imagination. lol
Lower your expectations, folks. It's not the worst thing ever, but it's also not very good. I mean, THUNDERDOME actually towers above it.
Okay. *record scratch* Thunderdome?? The movie most die hard fanboys sometimes pretend doesn't even exist? And you've actually ranked it as "towering above" FURY ROAD?? Now you've gone too far sir. This is truly beyond the pale and it shall not stand. I say good day to you sir. GOOD DAY!!
And lest you think I'm a hater, I went with a group of both MAD MAX lovers as well as newbies, and all of them HATED it.
I don't think you're a hater. I think you're a waterhead imbecile. Or perhaps, just a run-of-the-mill shit-starter. While I don't doubt that a few people in that theater could have hated the movie, the idea that a whole group of Mad Max lovers and newbies all hated it… well, if true, they most have been the only group there that did.

For example, they had focus group members randomly selected throughout the theater and at the end of the movie they went around asking them verbally what they were checking off on their score card. I didn't hear them all, but I kept hearing the word "excellent" (highest score) said over and over. And in the lobby after the movie were dozens and dozens of people all buzzing about it. Including groups of long time fans all waiting to try and meet George Miller and tell him how much they liked the movie.
My prediction: fanboys will be annoyed, and MM virgins will be uninterested. This is not the franchise restart WB is hoping for. At all.
None of the fanboys I know. Let's hope none of the execs at WB agree with you. It could ruin what has the potential to be the most original action movie released in… I don't even know how long.
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Thanks Simo. That eases some concerns.

Was it confirmed that the runtime was just over 120 minutes? That's considerably shorter than the 160 minutes Hardy spoke of, or even the 140 minutes mentioned by the guy Hardy was talking to in the Esquire article. I see some comments say the movie lacked some quiet periods ("I wish the movie had more quiet, contemplative moments that contrast the action and deepen the world"), that it was all slam bang, and I'm wondering if those scenes could be found in the missing 20 or 40 minutes.
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I am sure that there would be 'rest areas' within the very active/intense story line.....
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croft007 wrote:I am sure that there would be 'rest areas' within the very active/intense story line.....
There must be, it's storytelling 101 and Miller knows his stuff. I trust him fully on that. Contrary to some random internet 'reviewers' whom rank Fury Road lower than Thunderdome and say that EVERYONE HATED IT. Pshh
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At first I got very concerned after reading that guy's review. He is negative about practically everything. But apparently he wasn't paying attention to the film very well.
Thanks DGSimo, to raise the hopes up again with your explanation.
This is just another example that shows not to base your expectations on what just one other person thinks. That way you can end up very disillusioned.

I'll have to see the film first to give my thoughts about it. But if it's true, it's a shame the interceptor only got a few minutes screentime. And what is the idea of that teenage daughter flashback. That doesn't fit in the original films. Is it really his daughter, and not someone else? (I haven't seen the film, so I can't judge about that. Just speculate :roll: )

Now it is just waiting for the film to be released so I can see it. And I'm hoping that it also will be shown in 2D. But I doubt it.
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Dude I'm with you on the 2D screening, that's the only way I'd watch the movie in fact. Last time I went to a 3D movie was Pacific Rim and as 'somewhat okayish' the movie was, the 3D stuff was just plain annoying. Fingers crossed Fury Road pulls the 3D gimmick off for all the fans of it out there.
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